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Manager Mauricio Pochettino

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I would say Lloris. Vertonghen Alderweireld, Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen were already quality players then they came to Spurs.
I would then say Walker absolutely had all the tools already but needed to be pointed in the right direction to use them. Rose needed coaching and benefitted from loans elsewhere. Dele has to be the biggest example of a young player being thrown in and having not only no fear, but actually being motivated by the leap up.
And I hate to say this, but Kane had already scored a few goals before Poch arrived and us fans were all calling for him to be put back in to the team after a poor start.
I don't think Poch coached or taught Kane anything, I think they just got on well and that gave Kane the confidence and motivation to grab the bull by the horns.

What is shocking here is that since then, what players have we signed that have the genuine talents of those players?

I think when we look back we got lucky. But you make your own luck too……

Right place, right time sort of thing.

Players, coaches, and 2017 the end of an era at the lane.

2017 season and 2nd place with 86 points and +60 GD.
The fact is Chelsea won that premier league helped by no European football (with dirty Russian money) and broke records doing it.

And Leicester the champions finished 12th highlighting how much of a fluke the previous season was too.
 
Before my day begins I had 5 mins to do this.

Decent squad Harry had. I loved watching them On their day could take absolutely anybody. Harry having his head turned by England and the court case fucked us.

Rose, walker in the squad you mentioned.
King? Not for you I guess.
VDV v Dele is an interesting one for me taking into account age experience big goals, effect on the team.

Friedel

Walker
King
Kaboul
BAE

Bale
Parker
VDV
Modric

Adebayor
Defoe

Subs: Gomes / Cudicini, Gallas,Rose, Sandro, Kranckjar, Saha + others

I'm well aware of who was in the squad (though some of those players weren't in the squad at the same time)....... Much like I am that they were good.

Rather than cherry pick players from his 4 year spell, choose any one year under HR and tell me who you think gets in the 16/17 team.
 
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I think when we look back we got lucky. But you make your own luck too……

Right place, right time sort of thing.

Players, coaches, and 2017 the end of an era at the lane.

2017 season and 2nd place with 86 points and +60 GD.
The fact is Chelsea won that premier league helped by no European football (with dirty Russian money) and broke records doing it.

And Leicester the champions finished 12th highlighting how much of a fluke the previous season was too.

Absolutely, that team was the result of a perfect storm.
 
I still don't understand this thinking.....

Why is it luck that we built a good squad?

Why isn’t it? Was poch the plan from day 1? Does every signing you make turn out the way you expect? What’s the world for when it all clicks in your opinion? Fate? Luck? Just throw enough shit done will stick??

Was Soldado being useless the plan? So Harry would not be sold on.

Did we know eriksen would be as good as he was? Was he a gamble?

Why was no one else looking at Toby?

How comes moussa was at Fulham not at a top 10 team?

I’m lucky to have spent time with the very top level managers. They will all tell you that you need a bit of luck along the way.
That’s football.

Harry Kane played 38 games one season. Was it bad luck he got injured? Planned he wouldn’t get injured?

You might need to revise thinking of football if you don’t think luck has something to do with it. Every player is one bad tackle away from missing games which effect your season.
 
Unsurprisingly you completely missed the point.

In no way was I comparing SAF's career to Poch's.

My point was that you focused only on the negatives of Poch's time at Spurs in a biased way of somehow denigrating his time here.

Newsflash, Poch had us challenging for league titles, something we hadn't done since the late 80s, plus we were hardly swimming in trophies before him were we?

Like I said, regardless of how it turned out, he got us to a CL Final, something no other Spurs manager has ever done.

For a significant time of Poch's reign we were shoe in's for Champions League spots, we went undefeated at home in the league in the final season at WHL, something I don't think we have ever done before.

The fact is, trophies or not, Poch is easily our best manager since Bill Nick, (you could argue Burkinshaw).
No Burkinshaws Uefa and two FA cups certainly put him second then Pochettino. It's not even close.
 
Whos been a success at PSG?

Its a babysitters job, not a managerial job. He’s been there what? 12 months. They want instant success but they are a bunch of instagram footballers.

Poch pedigree needs to be in a fast paced competitive league

Excuses in my opinion.

Neither Pochettino (And I really like the bloke) nor those who support him can bemoan a damn thing or offer context.

No one forced him to take the job and the bloke is smart enough to know what the demand was.

Not to get to the semi-finals this season is a failure. To be 2 up and succumb in the fashion Pochettino's team did is shameful.. Period.

No excuses.
 
It's clear the path the club is going down. We are buying young players when a manager like Conte wants experience. The squad is being built for someone like Poch, not Conte.
 
How in gods name was that not a foul on the keeper? I don't really care about PSG at all, so I won't shed any tears, but I just wonder how VAR can allow that. Keeper is clearing the ball and Benzema just goes right through his planting leg.

Whether the keeper held onto it too long is irrelevant. It is either a foul or barging through a player as they attempt a clearance is legal.
It's 100% a foul, called it the moment it happened. Not a peep from anyone, nothing on the TV. It's strange how things like this aren't reviewed when others are. (a bit like the Sissoko handball, no one at the time said anything).
 
Excuses in my opinion.

Neither Pochettino (And I really like the bloke) nor those who support him can bemoan a damn thing or offer context.

No one forced him to take the job and the bloke is smart enough to know what the demand was.

Not to get to the semi-finals this season is a failure. To be 2 up and succumb in the fashion Pochettino's team did is shameful.. Period.

No excuses.
I simply don't understand this.

If you watch the two legs he prepared his PSG team to win. In the first leg they totally dominated the game, Madrid didn't even have a shot on target. Messi missed a pen, Mbappe missed about 4 or 5 sitters, there were many other opportunities created but not taken. How is Messi missing a penalty Poch's fault?

Same in 2nd leg, for an hour they totally dominated the game, again creating plenty of opportunities to take the game, Mbappe again not taking them (amongst others). The goalkeeper is blatantly fouled in the build-up to Madrid's first goal, this doesn't get reviewed. Then PSG players fall apart, with more individual errors leading to the other goals.

Ask the question why PSG players implode, explore this and here you will find the answers as to what's wrong with the Club.

No manager has succeeded at PSG (assuming success is measured in winning the CL which is a tad ludicrous measure of success/failure). It's quite clear by now that the manager isn't the issue, it's how the Club is run.

This piece here is a really well-framed article exploring what's wrong in better detail...........



I think it's spot on.

From a piece in The Athletic out today also alludes to similar:
There is also little dispute that Pochettino has not found it straightforward to cope with the psychological transition of coaching Tottenham, where he became the most powerful voice at the club, and PSG, where superstar players are expected to be on the team sheet.

At Tottenham, for example, Pochettino liked to tell his players: “When you sign a contract, you sign a contract to train, not to play.” This meant that no player was assured a place in the team. But PSG’s investments in Neymar and Messi — who each receive in excess of €25 million (£21 million) net per year — mean it would be testing, to put it mildly, for either player to not be selected on a consistent basis when they are available. The disparity in salaries between different squad members also makes it difficult to forge a collective team spirit, although several agents close to other first-team players counter that players are sensible enough to understand that a superstar player should be on superstar money.

One source familiar with Pochettino’s work says: “When you know Mauricio, it’s very difficult for him to manage this type of player, this type of team. He needs to improve players, he wants players to have fundamentally good principles of play.”

Away from the dressing room, Pochettino, as with other previous PSG coaches, has not always relished answering to Leonardo, who some believe to be overly close to the dressing room. Pochettino was also disappointed by the club’s failure to secure Tanguy Ndombele on loan from Tottenham in January, with the Frenchman eventually heading to Lyon.

Several former players have, however, been critical of PSG’s culture. One highly experienced former PSG player told confidantes he believed the club to be a “vanity project” and incapable of major sporting success. Former coaches have felt they have had to negotiate with star players as to when they should return from holidays.

In his latest book, Adrenaline, the former PSG striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic said he called Al-Khelaifi to offer his services as a sporting director last summer. He claimed PSG’s players felt it was a good idea. He wrote: “One of them said to me: ‘Zlatan, only you can sort the team out and impose discipline.’ Another one said: ‘Zlatan, if you were around, this thing in the dressing room wouldn’t happen’.” I liked the project, but it wasn’t enough to make me overcome the feeling of fear and panic that gripped me at the thought of retiring.”

Ibrahimovic later claimed to have exasperated PSG by advising Mbappe to leave the club and join Madrid. Ibrahimovic says Al-Khelaifi called him to complain but he argued: “There’s not enough discipline at PSG and Mbappe needs it if he is to improve and go to the next level. Right now it’s impossible in Paris because there aren’t the right people.”

The former striker added: “If there was more rigour, everyone would run on the pitch, no one would be late for training and no one would be allowed to do what they liked.”
 
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Why isn’t it? Was poch the plan from day 1? Does every signing you make turn out the way you expect? What’s the world for when it all clicks in your opinion? Fate? Luck? Just throw enough shit done will stick??

Was Soldado being useless the plan? So Harry would not be sold on.

Did we know eriksen would be as good as he was? Was he a gamble?

Why was no one else looking at Toby?

How comes moussa was at Fulham not at a top 10 team?

I’m lucky to have spent time with the very top level managers. They will all tell you that you need a bit of luck along the way.
That’s football.

Harry Kane played 38 games one season. Was it bad luck he got injured? Planned he wouldn’t get injured?

You might need to revise thinking of football if you don’t think luck has something to do with it. Every player is one bad tackle away from missing games which effect your season.

Jeeezus; calm the the indignant rhetoric a bit.......

You seemed to be implying that we it was just luck that we'd put together a squad as strong as we had. If not then touche.

BUT...... It's exceedingly tiresome to see other clubs endlessly gushed over due to their signings, yet when we amass a fantastic first XI it gets showered with detraction and caveats. Similarly, the way that Utd. have been wanked over for 30 years thanks to the class of '92, yet we hatch 1 world class striker and it's shrouded in a negative spin.
 
I simply don't understand this.

If you watch the two legs he prepared his PSG team to win. In the first leg they totally dominated the game, Madrid didn't even have a shot on target. Messi missed a pen, Mbappe missed about 4 or 5 sitters, there were many other opportunities created but not taken. How is Messi missing a penalty Poch's fault?

Same in 2nd leg, for an hour they totally dominated the game, again creating plenty of opportunities to take the game, Mbappe again not taking them (amongst others). The goalkeeper is blatantly fouled in the build-up to Madrid's first goal, this doesn't get reviewed. Then PSG players fall apart, with more individual errors leading to the other goals.

Ask the question why PSG players implode, explore this and here you will find the answers as to what's wrong with the Club.

No manager has succeeded at PSG (assuming success is measured in winning the CL which is a tad ludicrous measure of success/failure). It's quite clear by now that the manager isn't the issue, it's how the Club is run.

This piece here is a really well-framed article exploring what's wrong in better detail...........



I think it's spot on.

From a piece in The Athletic out today also alludes to similar:
There is also little dispute that Pochettino has not found it straightforward to cope with the psychological transition of coaching Tottenham, where he became the most powerful voice at the club, and PSG, where superstar players are expected to be on the team sheet.

At Tottenham, for example, Pochettino liked to tell his players: “When you sign a contract, you sign a contract to train, not to play.” This meant that no player was assured a place in the team. But PSG’s investments in Neymar and Messi — who each receive in excess of €25 million (£21 million) net per year — mean it would be testing, to put it mildly, for either player to not be selected on a consistent basis when they are available. The disparity in salaries between different squad members also makes it difficult to forge a collective team spirit, although several agents close to other first-team players counter that players are sensible enough to understand that a superstar player should be on superstar money.

One source familiar with Pochettino’s work says: “When you know Mauricio, it’s very difficult for him to manage this type of player, this type of team. He needs to improve players, he wants players to have fundamentally good principles of play.”

Away from the dressing room, Pochettino, as with other previous PSG coaches, has not always relished answering to Leonardo, who some believe to be overly close to the dressing room. Pochettino was also disappointed by the club’s failure to secure Tanguy Ndombele on loan from Tottenham in January, with the Frenchman eventually heading to Lyon.

Several former players have, however, been critical of PSG’s culture. One highly experienced former PSG player told confidantes he believed the club to be a “vanity project” and incapable of major sporting success. Former coaches have felt they have had to negotiate with star players as to when they should return from holidays.

In his latest book, Adrenaline, the former PSG striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic said he called Al-Khelaifi to offer his services as a sporting director last summer. He claimed PSG’s players felt it was a good idea. He wrote: “One of them said to me: ‘Zlatan, only you can sort the team out and impose discipline.’ Another one said: ‘Zlatan, if you were around, this thing in the dressing room wouldn’t happen’.” I liked the project, but it wasn’t enough to make me overcome the feeling of fear and panic that gripped me at the thought of retiring.”

Ibrahimovic later claimed to have exasperated PSG by advising Mbappe to leave the club and join Madrid. Ibrahimovic says Al-Khelaifi called him to complain but he argued: “There’s not enough discipline at PSG and Mbappe needs it if he is to improve and go to the next level. Right now it’s impossible in Paris because there aren’t the right people.”

The former striker added: “If there was more rigour, everyone would run on the pitch, no one would be late for training and no one would be allowed to do what they liked.”

The big difference between PSG and other super clubs is that there is no holistic approach to their squad.

Look at all the other super clubs, Bayern, City, Real, Juventus, Liverpool and how they put their squads together. They sign big players, but they mainly focus on players that fit the club and managers system. They are machines put together with meticulously designed pieces.

That doesn't exist at PSG. They sign big for the sake of signing big. It is a rush job to try and win a CL before the Qatar world cup and they have failed.
 
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