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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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a sign of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results....
does that not apply to our performances as well?
yep, this club has just got its head in the sand, served shit every fucking week, and we're just supposed to keep paying expensive ticket prices and membership fees, just so we can get shat on
...that's gonna be one helluva BROWN LINE THREAD come May!!
We wont go down, there MUST be three teams worse than us surely?
...yeah, but West Brom and Newcastle were two of them at one point!
Jesus, I know they're both pretty short, but surely they're not that small!!
3 loses post EL games?
At the moment on the pitch it's AVB mark 2. At least hopefully this time Levy will give him time to actually do what he wants with the squad and we are playing his way with his player this time next season
Way, way too early to judge a new coach fully, working with players he didn't buy.
That said, a manager has to work with what he got, and I do question his selections of that. Kane scored three on Thursday, is no doubt brimming with confidence – a run-out against a shit team, bag a Prem goal, why not?
Or Soldado: he was OK at City bar the pen miss and needs game time; again, shit team, at home, bag a perm goal, why not?
I just cannot understand how Adey gets in the team ahead of Kane or Soldado. Adey scored the 4th of a 4-0 mauling of QPR and since (correct me if I'm wrong) has done fuck all. Not only does he not score (OK, he scored, but that goal was 98% down to Mason's sublime cross, any man over 6" would have scored it) but he actually hampers our chances: when Eriksen/Lamella make a tasty through-ball into the box, 9 times out of 10 it'll bounce off Adey's foot and ping straight to a defender. Useless.
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Then, the subs. It took 83 minutes to realise Adey was doing fuck-all, and bring on Soldado. No player, bar an Aguero maybe, can make an impact in 7 minutes against a side time-wasting and digging in, especially one already low on confidence and has just been dropped, again.
Similarly, Aaron Lennon, as a game changer?? Again, with just 12 minutes to change the game?
That said, a manager has to work with what he got, and I do question his selections of that. Kane scored three on Thursday, is no doubt brimming with confidence – a run-out against a shit team, bag a Prem goal, why not?
Or Soldado: he was OK at City bar the pen miss and needs game time; again, shit team, at home, bag a perm goal, why not?
I just cannot understand how Adey gets in the team ahead of Kane or Soldado. Adey scored the 4th of a 4-0 mauling of QPR and since (correct me if I'm wrong) has done fuck all. Not only does he not score (OK, he scored, but that goal was 98% down to Mason's sublime cross, any man over 6" would have scored it) but he actually hampers our chances: when Eriksen/Lamella make a tasty through-ball into the box, 9 times out of 10 it'll bounce off Adey's foot and ping straight to a defender. Useless.
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Then, the subs. It took 83 minutes to realise Adey was doing fuck-all, and bring on Soldado. No player, bar an Aguero maybe, can make an impact in 7 minutes against a side time-wasting and digging in, especially one already low on confidence and has just been dropped, again.
Similarly, Aaron Lennon, as a game changer?? Again, with just 12 minutes to change the game?
i think this season is really taking toll on teams like us or liverpool,woolwich , i.e. teams who are in building process , and have to play the thursday-tuseday football, and plus euro qualifiers are making it really difficult for teams to settle, on the contrary , teams like man utd (less football,out of capital one cup and no European football ) or teams like bellow 12-13 who dont have many internationals in their team are coming up well prepared against big teams , barring chevesky , no other team team can say , that they are not struggling .
ppl talk here abt giving poch 2 yrs , but just imagine if we dont reach 4th for two consecutive years , are loris,erikson,vert going to play for us more ? i know its only fair to give managers more time but , our misfortune is that we are playing in premier league , wher competion is really good n if we dont improve we are going backwards ,gone are the times of ferguson who took 3 yrs for his first trophy , if he was coaching today he would have had same fate as moyes .
the solution is , with all due respect to all the techniques n philosophies our manager likes to play , first thing he needs to do is find a goal scoring strike partnership , if we do that , i.e. some thing like liverpool found with suarez , then we can think abt all the pressing n technicality of his . if we keep chipping in with points , then only he can have more time ,
the solution is , with all due respect to all the techniques n philosophies our manager likes to play , first thing he needs to do is find a goal scoring strike partnership , if we do that , i.e. some thing like liverpool found with suarez , then we can think abt all the pressing n technicality of his . if we keep chipping in with points , then only he can have more time ,
yea because worldie strikers grow on trees don't you know lol
somebody get on the phone and tell levy all we need to do is sign the next suarez
fuck it lets snap up the next ronaldo, messi, maradona and pele while we're at it
Give for current manager (Pochettino) at least 2 years the chance to build something big squad , italians said (when they had victorious teams in the 90’s ,winning ch.league finals or UEFA Cup) that “a big team is builded first with a strong defense ,4 defenders to play together every match at least 2-3 years in the same system” then build with midfielders and big strikers… to be then indestructible, conceding very few goals during a full season, then to achieve something important european trophy or domestic titles,
AC Milan 90’s:
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Tassotti---Baresi---Costacurta---Maldini
They start with those players in 1985-1986 , (3-4 years later they were european champions with this line of defenders in 1989 , 1990 and 1994,
and national champions in Italy many times
In the middle they played with Ancelotti and Rijkaard ,in attack some magicians as Rud Gullit,Donadoni and Van Basten!
So,for Spurs must keep Lloris as GK until he made retirement (if we can to keep him long term) ,i like Vertonghen as CB, we need a strong another strong CB,LB and RB to be competitive ,challenging Top 4 in Prem…I don’t think Kaboul ,Rose or Dier are in this moment Top 4 level ,they are good in deed…but not enough…a strategy for a long term is need it for Spurs ,I think…to have big results that our fans wants ,changing players (rotation mode) in every match, looks like don’t work well in the present.
AC Milan 90’s:
-----------------Galli-----------------------
Tassotti---Baresi---Costacurta---Maldini
They start with those players in 1985-1986 , (3-4 years later they were european champions with this line of defenders in 1989 , 1990 and 1994,
and national champions in Italy many times
In the middle they played with Ancelotti and Rijkaard ,in attack some magicians as Rud Gullit,Donadoni and Van Basten!
So,for Spurs must keep Lloris as GK until he made retirement (if we can to keep him long term) ,i like Vertonghen as CB, we need a strong another strong CB,LB and RB to be competitive ,challenging Top 4 in Prem…I don’t think Kaboul ,Rose or Dier are in this moment Top 4 level ,they are good in deed…but not enough…a strategy for a long term is need it for Spurs ,I think…to have big results that our fans wants ,changing players (rotation mode) in every match, looks like don’t work well in the present.
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yea because worldie strikers grow on trees don't you know lol
somebody get on the phone and tell levy all we need to do is sign the next suarez
fuck it lets snap up the next ronaldo, messi, maradona and pele while we're at it
Kesha hai jaani
Gand me goli mar di na Saturday pe :adebaehug:
Pochettino to date has shown very little 'difference' in terms of approach to the man vilified on here as the second coming of Graham - yes the same one who finished with our highest ever PL total and is now playing CL football - scenario unlikely to be repeated any time in the near future as long as ENIC are in charge - the circus will continue
- boring, turgid, narrow, pace-less, re-active football - 2 shots on target against a bottom 3 side at home is unacceptable
- alienation of key players
- favouritism towards players who've been passengers at best in the PL - pin-up fanboy favourite Lamela anyone? Ade the ghost?
- no plan B - Pardew (out of all managers!) completely outsmarted him tactically and made positive subs at half-time - we waited till +/- 20 minutes from time to bring in a second fucking striker. At home. Needing a goal. Unacceptable. Same happened against David Brent and also WBA
Sound familiar?
1 win in 7 in not acceptable for the 6th best club in the PL. Funny how now many are saying we should accept mediocrity and 10th place while giving the manager time but were calling for the pitchforks last year when we arguably had a weaker squad and played no worse in many ways. Double standards is not the word..
Sure - he should be given time others weren't in the past but the signs for me a worrying so far and he needs to become a little more pro-active in my view other than leaving it late and being somewhat naive. I was extremely skeptical with his appointed not so much due the complete lack of CV and virtually no notable managerial achievement but more so with the fact we're going down the AVB route again - young, unproven manager who requires time to implement his system - time Levy has never offered anyone to date. Coupled with the fact we've never been known to spend big in January, along with the usual smoke-screen bullshit in August - this could be a very long season indeed. Hope Poch can turn it around but he needs to make the most of a squad filled with many average players (potentially very good but not yet).
COYS
- boring, turgid, narrow, pace-less, re-active football - 2 shots on target against a bottom 3 side at home is unacceptable
- alienation of key players
- favouritism towards players who've been passengers at best in the PL - pin-up fanboy favourite Lamela anyone? Ade the ghost?
- no plan B - Pardew (out of all managers!) completely outsmarted him tactically and made positive subs at half-time - we waited till +/- 20 minutes from time to bring in a second fucking striker. At home. Needing a goal. Unacceptable. Same happened against David Brent and also WBA
Sound familiar?
1 win in 7 in not acceptable for the 6th best club in the PL. Funny how now many are saying we should accept mediocrity and 10th place while giving the manager time but were calling for the pitchforks last year when we arguably had a weaker squad and played no worse in many ways. Double standards is not the word..
Sure - he should be given time others weren't in the past but the signs for me a worrying so far and he needs to become a little more pro-active in my view other than leaving it late and being somewhat naive. I was extremely skeptical with his appointed not so much due the complete lack of CV and virtually no notable managerial achievement but more so with the fact we're going down the AVB route again - young, unproven manager who requires time to implement his system - time Levy has never offered anyone to date. Coupled with the fact we've never been known to spend big in January, along with the usual smoke-screen bullshit in August - this could be a very long season indeed. Hope Poch can turn it around but he needs to make the most of a squad filled with many average players (potentially very good but not yet).
COYS
I honestly feel like Poch was a mistake, Levy being the utter idiot he is can't evaluate things in depth. Southampton have an outstanding scouting system, they have proven that in the past with the academy graduates us and other clubs have hoarded (Bale and co), proved it when they came up again in the epl from the championship and proved it again with the way they spent the money on the players they sold, Lovren, Lallana, Shaw..ect. (with Mane , Tadic, Alderweild..ect)
What Baldy thought was that Pochettino was some sort of magician, which he is not. He is an ok manager but nothing special.I think he is a good coach, can improve players attacking technical ability indivudallly but in terms of tactics i am not impressed.
What Baldy thought was that Pochettino was some sort of magician, which he is not. He is an ok manager but nothing special.I think he is a good coach, can improve players attacking technical ability indivudallly but in terms of tactics i am not impressed.
My concern is the fact Levy never backs a manager, all very well getting a manager with a system but a system often requires certain types of players hence Poch wanting Schniederlin. Dembele and much of our sqaud look completly alien to this sytem. If you want a manager like this it's simple, you must let him decide who stay and who goes so he gets the tools for the job
The alternative to that is a Pulis type manager who will just be Mr Motivator with what ever players Levy leaves him with. Problem with these managers is that they are strong people and Levy likes yes men.
If you go by history, Poch's hard work IMO it should start to pay off after Jan.
The last time we had a taskmaster was Ramos. Eriksen etc recently have been mentioning how brutal Poch's training is. The same thing happened under Ramos, and IMO Harry reaped the benefit of months of conditioning that Ramos and his right hand man gave to our players. What did Harry get? He got notorious sloth like players like Hudd fit as fiddles with way less timbre etc etc (remember that glorious year where you could see Hudds cheekbones?)
so Harry inherited a MUCH fitter team. That slowly dwindled with Harry's lax training and ketchup and we struggled finishing seasons and Hudd, VDV etc were shambling wrecks at one point.
I have noticed Poch is making a LOT of mistakes former managers made. Most recently playing half fit players like Harry did. But Poch should be given time to reap the rewards of doing something that really needed to happen to us (drop the soft Spurs tag).
Poch has to be careful though. There has been lots of rumors of Spurs comfort zone players turning on managers who trained them too hard. Apparently they turned on Ramos and Gross because they were too precious for the workload. Before Ramos came to Spurs, his players once wore tape over their mouths during a training session as a silent protest to how hard he worked them. Fair play, when we came up against Ramos in the Euros, they were fit as fuck too (and pressing Jan hard on the ball and letting Daws play the ball out of defense was also genius on Ramos part tactically). Come to think of it the first time we met Ramos they mugged us via fitness alone too.
Imagine Spurs if Dembele, Bentaleb, Kabs, Jan, Capoue, Ade, Eriksen, Lamela, Kane etc were all in beast mode physically? I think that is a large part of his thinking. We have the skill, we just need to be able to bully teams and run them ragged on top of that. Yedlin and Benj also gives us a hint to his thinking.
The last time we had a taskmaster was Ramos. Eriksen etc recently have been mentioning how brutal Poch's training is. The same thing happened under Ramos, and IMO Harry reaped the benefit of months of conditioning that Ramos and his right hand man gave to our players. What did Harry get? He got notorious sloth like players like Hudd fit as fiddles with way less timbre etc etc (remember that glorious year where you could see Hudds cheekbones?)
so Harry inherited a MUCH fitter team. That slowly dwindled with Harry's lax training and ketchup and we struggled finishing seasons and Hudd, VDV etc were shambling wrecks at one point.
I have noticed Poch is making a LOT of mistakes former managers made. Most recently playing half fit players like Harry did. But Poch should be given time to reap the rewards of doing something that really needed to happen to us (drop the soft Spurs tag).
Poch has to be careful though. There has been lots of rumors of Spurs comfort zone players turning on managers who trained them too hard. Apparently they turned on Ramos and Gross because they were too precious for the workload. Before Ramos came to Spurs, his players once wore tape over their mouths during a training session as a silent protest to how hard he worked them. Fair play, when we came up against Ramos in the Euros, they were fit as fuck too (and pressing Jan hard on the ball and letting Daws play the ball out of defense was also genius on Ramos part tactically). Come to think of it the first time we met Ramos they mugged us via fitness alone too.
Imagine Spurs if Dembele, Bentaleb, Kabs, Jan, Capoue, Ade, Eriksen, Lamela, Kane etc were all in beast mode physically? I think that is a large part of his thinking. We have the skill, we just need to be able to bully teams and run them ragged on top of that. Yedlin and Benj also gives us a hint to his thinking.