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r-u-s-x said:
You would imagine that loan pool would be mostly dross. The U23 squad would probably be preferred.

Increasing squad size would have limited impact as the Managers who complain most about games tend not to rotate with the current squads due to pressure on the next game.
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Surely if the managers don't rotate the players causing injuries or fitness issues, then it's up to the club to sack them if a full and increased squad size has been provided within the club;s budget. It's not feasible to not rotate players and keep playing what they consider to be their best 11. if anything it's mismanagement.
 
McCOYS said:
Surely if the managers don't rotate the players causing injuries or fitness issues, then it's up to the club to sack them if a full and increased squad size has been provided within the club;s budget. It's not feasible to not rotate players and keep playing what they consider to be their best 11. if anything it's mismanagement.
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Clubs rarely sack winning Managers only losing. Klopp and Guardiola complained massively and pushed for 5 subs and then hardly used them. Never in danger of being sacked.

Again increasing squad size probably won't lead to more rotation when clubs are not rotating significantly with current squads sizes.
 
r-u-s-x said:
All the top players have the power when they negotiate. Can put in any new deal X amount games maximum including internationals ( nations league replaced friendlies, don't think it's inceeased games).
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Pretty sure it has tbh. The schedule for qualifiers is pretty crazy.

r-u-s-x said:
Doubt they would even need to take a pay cut.

The number of games is largely for top players who play in Europe.
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And crazy pre-season tours to Australia.
 
deadleyledley said:
Interesting debate going on here.

As someone who's worked in the medical side of things in pro football, yes it's true many coaches have gone against what Medical staff have said.

In certain cases the medical staff will have power to say no but that's often if there is serious risk to the player. It's all about risk management, no one can predict if a player will get re-injured when they go out to play.
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Thank you!! No cover up, no conspiracies. Just the way the industry works!!
 
r-u-s-x said:
Clubs rarely sack winning Managers only losing. Klopp and Guardiola complained massively and pushed for 5 subs and then hardly used them. Never in danger of being sacked.

Again increasing squad size probably won't lead to more rotation when clubs are not rotating significantly with current squads sizes.
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I can recall Liverpool playing lots of kids either last season or the one before due to injuries, So they would have rotated more seniors if the squads were bigger.

There's no reason why we can't play Spence as RB, and Reguilon as LB, should have given Scarlet more time regarding Richarlison not match fit. Our players are knackered and the manager isn't rotating them.

Not only that but he brought other players back into start the action too soon after injury.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Pretty sure it has tbh. The schedule for qualifiers is pretty crazy.



And crazy pre-season tours to Australia.
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More competitive so if you care less rotation and more effort. Not more games.

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International breaks explained: Calendar and Nations League impact

International breaks cause the world's major football leagues to pause throughout the season.
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Are there more men's international matches than before?​

The introduction of the Nations League – in which teams of a similar ranking play a group stage against each other, before the four winners of the top-level groups advance to a mini finals competition – in 2018 has not led to an increase in the number of international fixtures or breaks.

Instead, Nations League fixtures have replaced some of the friendlies, meaning the number of international matches on the annual calendar remains the same.
 
McCOYS said:
Right let's take Porro and Son as examples, do/did they require to be rotated by now even if they are not injured?
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We are talking on different slightly different tangents. When talking about rotation and larger squads the managers normally mean dropping players in and out throughout the season to prevent burnout.

Porro needs to be rested or dropped depending on your thoughts.
Son needs to be rested/ dropped and then rotated.

Squad size did not prevent them being rotated. The fact that we didn't rotate led to injuries meaning we can not now rotate.
 
r-u-s-x said:
We are talking on different slightly different tangents. When talking about rotation and larger squads the managers normally mean dropping players in and out throughout the season to prevent burnout.

Porro needs to be rested or dropped depending on your thoughts.
Son needs to be rested/ dropped and then rotated.

Squad size did not prevent them being rotated.
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No, it didn't, injuries did.

r-u-s-x said:
The fact that we didn't rotate led to injuries meaning we can not now rotate.
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We did rotate very heavily in the Group Phase of EL and in the Cups when we weren't playing PL opponents.

The issue with rotation for Son, Porro and Kulusevski mostly came from the snowball effect of injuries. Odobert for example would have rotated with Son the most and he hasn't played the majority of the season. Then Werner and Johnson got injured so triple whammy.
 
Richard Arlison said:
No, it didn't, injuries did.



We did rotate very heavily in the Group Phase of EL and in the Cups when we weren't playing PL opponents.

The issue with rotation for Son, Porro and Kulusevski mostly came from the snowball effect of injuries. Odobert for example would have rotated with Son the most and he hasn't played the majority of the season. Then Werner and Johnson got injured so triple whammy.
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With the way we play perhaps we also needed to rotate more in the PL too. This isn't hindsight people were saying as much until the injuries built up.
 
McCOYS said:
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I can recall Liverpool playing lots of kids either last season or the one before due to injuries, So they would have rotated more seniors if the squads were bigger.

There's no reason why we can't play Spence as RB, and Reguilon as LB, should have given Scarlet more time regarding Richarlison not match fit. Our players are knackered and the manager isn't rotating them.

Not only that but he brought other players back into start the action too soon after injury.
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Liverpool just don’t get injuries. Look at their team tonight. I wonder what they’re doing differently.


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deadleyledley said:
Interesting debate going on here.

As someone who's worked in the medical side of things in pro football, yes it's true many coaches have gone against what Medical staff have said.

In certain cases the medical staff will have power to say no but that's often if there is serious risk to the player. It's all about risk management, no one can predict if a player will get re-injured when they go out to play.

If the medical staff gives the green light and the player turns around and says no which I think is what is happening with Micky, then there is nothing the coach can do in that case.

Players have a lot of power because it's their body, this is why concussions have taken this long to become medical/independent decisions. It's starting to shift towards medical departments now but be under no illusion that some coaches and players will still go against what they say if they are able.

Bigger debate for me is when are players going to strike for having too many games? It's time they took action for themselves given the up tick in injuries in the game. I was having this conversation with a physio at work last week.
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They going to take pay cuts? Seems they want more money for less games.

And the fucking international scene and FIFA/UEFA wanting the players to play more things. Fuck all that off. Like the Nations League was touted as reducing the international calendar and now we have that, world cups, euros AND friendlies. It’s bollocks.
 
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