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Player Micky van de Ven

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Zest said:
90days is a standard for some notice periods, though I would have thought several elite medics are on 1-2year contracts, so must run summer to summer.

It does make me wonder why we haven’t employed any sprint based coaches (athletic/sports/recovery/physio/medical) of the highest renown, like this guy as a consultant (to help players formulate their gym routines, coaches their scheduling methodology etc) :

Hamstring Injury Prevention: Elite Coach Cast Part II; Henk Kraaijenhof

We’ll finish out this series on hamstring injury prevention with Henk’s take on hamstring injury prevention. A must read for all strength and speed professionals.
www.just-fly-sports.com www.just-fly-sports.com

Henk Kraaijenhof coaching credentials include Nelli Cooman, Merlene Ottey, Troy Douglas and Tennis star Mary Pierce. His specialties are the physical and mental coaching, in particular stress and stress management and the methodology or training. When you consider both Ottey and Douglas ran world class times in their 40’s, something is working.

Given 1 injury to VanDerVen (or Odobert) probably costs several league places, that’s £10m so you can get elite staff a plenty for that money (and protect outrageously valuable assets better across the board).
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But how do you know we haven’t done this or worked with similarly qualified individuals? Are you a club employee or speaking with any inside knowledge?

Most top clubs cover off these bases I’d be surprised if we’re an outlier. Certainly sprint coaches etc have been used in football for donkeys years.
 
TonySoprano said:
But how do you know we haven’t done this or worked with similarly qualified individuals? Are you a club employee or speaking with any inside knowledge?

Most top clubs cover off these bases I’d be surprised if we’re an outlier. Certainly sprint coaches etc have been used in football for donkeys years.
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Based upon nobody mentioning we are doing this, no pictures of any such coach seen observing training. There’s a huge difference between (Pochs son just out of uni being a senior sports scientist for us Vs these types).

Find it impossible to believe we have elite oversight, given the number and regularity of muscle problems.
 
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Have Van de Ven and Romero suffered setbacks or are you just being cautious with them?

It is not either. With Micky we made a decision, and I was certainly the catalyst of that, to just have a look at exactly beyond the injury how we can get him back in a good spot. He is doing some different things and working with some different people it’s not as much about the injury as about the mechanics of him because we want him back and we want him back in a real good space. He is training and feels really good. We are still confident his return is imminent but we want to make sure we get it right.

With Romero it has been a healing issue. The injury hadn’t healed up as quickly as we thought it would which, again, we could have pushed him and risked it but we have waited to give him a bit more time. We will get some clear indication as to his healing and depending on that his return could be imminent as well.

Can you be more specific with Romero and Van de Ven?

No, mate because I am not a doctor and also as I keep saying, there is a barrier you can’t cross when you are talking about people whether that is injuries or medically. Unless you want to call me a liar, what I am saying is both of them are training. There is evidence of that if you want that. Both of them are in a good place in terms of their recovery. Different reasons we’ve held both back and again once they are right, they’ll be in

I'm not calling you a liar, but from the outside, it looks like all or nothing for Europa League, are you saving them for that?

No and we’re not all or nothing on anything. We still want to progress in the league. We’re not happy with the position we’re in. There are still significant games. It’s not like there is a few games to go. There is still a lot of football to be played in the league and we want to address our league position and finish the season strong. Alongside that obviously the Europa League now is a great focus for us with us being out of the other cups, but we’re not saving anyone for anything because ultimately what I want is both Micky and Romero have had disrupted seasons in that they’ve got injured, come back and got injured again and I don’t want the same scenario.

You know whilst it may look with Micky like we had a false start with the Elfsborg thing, I think it gave us an indication of where he is at. We could have pushed on absolutely and we could have pushed on with Romero, but my view is let’s get them back and get them back right until the end of the season so we give them a chance as well to make a contribution to hopefully a strong finish for us.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
You build systems around the strengths of your players and recruit players that compliment and add to the system.

It’s just very basic logic.
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It's also very basic logic that a player who has broken down repeatedly with hamstring injuries should no longer have to consistently sprint back covering enormous holes in our defensive shape. His pace should be an asset, not the whole of his game.

Rebrov_Likes Rebrov_Likes mentioned Kyle Walker under Pep earlier. Walker was 27 when he left Spurs and had developed high-level anticipation and one-on-one defending to supplement his speed. Mickey is a different physical specimen but needs to be afforded the capacity to do the same - unless we want another Sessegnon situation.
 
FOK said:
Ok full quotes


Have Van de Ven and Romero suffered setbacks or are you just being cautious with them?

It is not either. With Micky we made a decision, and I was certainly the catalyst of that, to just have a look at exactly beyond the injury how we can get him back in a good spot. He is doing some different things and working with some different people it’s not as much about the injury as about the mechanics of him because we want him back and we want him back in a real good space. He is training and feels really good. We are still confident his return is imminent but we want to make sure we get it right.

With Romero it has been a healing issue. The injury hadn’t healed up as quickly as we thought it would which, again, we could have pushed him and risked it but we have waited to give him a bit more time. We will get some clear indication as to his healing and depending on that his return could be imminent as well.

Can you be more specific with Romero and Van de Ven?

No, mate because I am not a doctor and also as I keep saying, there is a barrier you can’t cross when you are talking about people whether that is injuries or medically. Unless you want to call me a liar, what I am saying is both of them are training. There is evidence of that if you want that. Both of them are in a good place in terms of their recovery. Different reasons we’ve held both back and again once they are right, they’ll be in

I'm not calling you a liar, but from the outside, it looks like all or nothing for Europa League, are you saving them for that?

No and we’re not all or nothing on anything. We still want to progress in the league. We’re not happy with the position we’re in. There are still significant games. It’s not like there is a few games to go. There is still a lot of football to be played in the league and we want to address our league position and finish the season strong. Alongside that obviously the Europa League now is a great focus for us with us being out of the other cups, but we’re not saving anyone for anything because ultimately what I want is both Micky and Romero have had disrupted seasons in that they’ve got injured, come back and got injured again and I don’t want the same scenario.

You know whilst it may look with Micky like we had a false start with the Elfsborg thing, I think it gave us an indication of where he is at. We could have pushed on absolutely and we could have pushed on with Romero, but my view is let’s get them back and get them back right until the end of the season so we give them a chance as well to make a contribution to hopefully a strong finish for us.
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The more he talks the more he doesn't make sense.

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Slav said:
It's also very basic logic that a player who has broken down repeatedly with hamstring injuries should no longer have to consistently sprint back covering enormous holes in our defensive shape. His pace should be an asset, not the whole of his game.

Rebrov_Likes Rebrov_Likes mentioned Kyle Walker under Pep earlier. Walker was 27 when he left Spurs and had developed high-level anticipation and one-on-one defending to supplement his speed. Mickey is a different physical specimen but needs to be afforded the capacity to do the same - unless we want another Sessegnon situation.
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Pep don’t play a high line with Walker?
 
kingdawson said:
He's obviously had a setback after being rushed to play that Europa game. Why is Ange continuously lying about this?
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how was he rushed back to play Europa? I'm intrigued to hear you thoughts on this.

As far as I'm aware he would have gone through gym work, field work without the ball, and pitch with the ball and the physio team away from the main squad. Then the medical team and micky would give the green light
Then he had 2 weeks of training with the boys according to Ange.

only then did he play 45 minutes of slow paced Europa league football. Is that rushed back? what should've happened, 4 weeks of training? 6 weeks? 10 minute sub appearances for a couple months, send him to dubai for a month to train alone in warm weather?
how do you know when it's long enough
 
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kingdawson said:
He's obviously had a setback after being rushed to play that Europa game. Why is Ange continuously lying about this?
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This is just a bizarre statement.

VDV completed 2 weeks training before playing 45 mins in a home game against IF Elfsborg. You call that rushing him back for a Europa game? The club could not have been any more cautious this time! If you can't give a guy 45 mins in a home game where the bookies had us 1/8 favourites after 2 weeks training then when can you bring them back?

VDV looks like he's completely fucked if the comments that he needs another scan and potentially surgery are true. We could be talking Reece James fucked where he can never string a few games together again for the rest of his career. Club can't do much more for him atm. I'm hoping that the above comments are untrue or exaggerated and that the club are just being over cautious with his comeback. If they are true then he's fucked and we may as well send him for surgery and try get him right for next season!
 
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