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Player Micky van de Ven

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If they aren’t listening then fucking drop them and play the kids. If captains aren’t listening then it’s every bit as bad as we fear.
Two seasons of a massive injury crisis and how many minutes have our younger players actually got ? Who has broken through and laid a claim to a longer term future ?

No one.

It’s another area where the club is so very poorly run.
 
This is seriously embarrassing. I'd be fine with simply benching VdV the rest of the season based on this. What hope do we have of winning if this arrogant prick thinks he's too good to listen to the manager, for the good of the team, for the good of the club?

For a supposedly 6'4" lad, he's among the absolute weakest defenders in the air I've ever seen. We really won't miss him when he is gone.
Yep, drop him and make it clear he is being transfer listed in the summer.
 
Two seasons of a massive injury crisis and how many minutes have our younger players actually got ? Who has broken through and laid a claim to a longer term future ?

No one.

It’s another area where the club is so very poorly run.
Well said - watch them when they realise those youngsters will be the spine of the team in the Champo when the overrated Johnny come latelys head for the lifeboats.Theyll get a game then, I bet.
 
Van de Ven been poor for a long time now.

I thought we had the next best thing in world football, but he’s shit at defending, clearly had a chip on his shoulder and has already mentally checked out of the club.
Really disappointing.

VDV’s eye catching moments are typically when he’s making last ditch tackles and using his pace to get us out of trouble. Which always reminds me of this Maldini quote.

"If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake“
 
I have no idea if we aren't reading too much into yesterday re Van De Ven, but it's more than that.

Arteta got rid of the egos and indiscipline. Guardiola the same.

We allow it, not just from Van De Ven, but also Romero, Spence and Bissouma, and the worst is from the captain.

If you don't stop these things or kick the perpetrators out, they damage the rest.

We are seeing the consequences, as much as some of the wider issues of poor managerial appointments and some questionable transfers.
 
This is what happens when as soon as a player shows themselves to be half decent for a bit, they get told, "My God he's brilliant. We'll have a fight to hold on to him."

When it should've been.. "Yes. Special talent.. If he refines it he might get to the level of a Vertonghen or maybe even a Ledley King and therefore he might eventually become good enough to play for a club as big as Tottenham."
 
He might be one of the fan favourites, but I honestly think he’s one of the main culprits behind this awful culture. The attitude when things don’t go his way is really poor

the Overlap/Neville interview felt very Kane.

I don't particularly blame him for wanting more than being at a 16th/17th placed club, but he's also responsible for that as they all are
 
Van de Ven been poor for a long time now.

I thought we had the next best thing in world football, but he’s shit at defending, clearly had a chip on his shoulder and has already mentally checked out of the club.
Really disappointing.

VDV’s eye catching moments are typically when he’s making last ditch tackles and using his pace to get us out of trouble. Which always reminds me of this Maldini quote.

"If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake“
Darren Bent usually talks a lot of shite on TalkSport, but he had VDV sussed perfectly when he said he’s very overrated and relies on his pace to get himself out of trouble because he’s often out of position.
 
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