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Player Mikey Moore

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bk_spur said:
Spence isn't a kid in the same way that Bergvall, Gray and Moore are though.

Seeing as Gray has been relegated mostly to the bench since VdV and Romero returned, it appears the only one who has really gotten Ange's trust is Bergvall. Moore appears to have been sent back to playing with the U23's.

Not a good situation at all for us. All three should be getting consistent small minutes and the odd start, at the very least.
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I assume that a key factor in Bergvall playing this much is also that Ange has clearly lost faith in Bissouma.

In a hypothetical scenario where Ange is sadly still here next season and we get a more senior midfielder in for Biss I could easily see Lucas get shunted back to the bench as well.
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
I assume that a key factor in Bergvall playing this much is also that Ange has clearly lost faith in Bissouma.

In a hypothetical scenario where Ange is sadly still here next season and we get a more senior midfielder in for Biss I could easily see Lucas get shunted back to the bench as well.
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He's starting him over Sarr also, Ange obviously rates sarr as he should, but he rates bergvall higher. He is playing as much as he is because he took his chances and made an impression , if moore made himself undropable when he had his league chances he'd be in the same boat.
 
Honestly, and I could re-post this in every current player thread, given the, er, quality of our coaching and manager, I find it very difficult to properly judge any of our players at the moment...
 
RealCoolYid said:
Probably sign if he’s assured Ange is fucked off season end with an apology for playing a reserve striker signed to play up front blocking his development path at left wing
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I'm a big believer in Moore becoming a very god player

But I think he's actually had a decent amount of playing time this season as a 17 year old who lost almost 3 months due to picking up a virus - something like 600 odd minutes including a few starts - although I had hoped he'd have been fit enough to pick up another say 100 minutes in the last month, but he seems not to have been.

He should be playing more next season (his 18th birthday in August) with a his break through season probably being 2026/27.

Worth remembering that at the start of next season he'll still be about 6 months younger than Gray or Bergvall were when they joined Spurs, so he's quite young and despite being reasonably well built for his age he has struggled with physicality of opposition players in both PL and EL this season which is why his minutes this season have been appropriate for him.
 
Spursidol said:
I'm a big believer in Moore becoming a very god player

But I think he's actually had a decent amount of playing time this season as a 17 year old who lost almost 3 months due to picking up a virus - something like 600 odd minutes including a few starts - although I had hoped he'd have been fit enough to pick up another say 100 minutes in the last month, but he seems not to have been.

He should be playing more next season (his 18th birthday in August) with a his break through season probably being 2026/27.

Worth remembering that at the start of next season he'll still be about 6 months younger than Gray or Bergvall were when they joined Spurs, so he's quite young and despite being reasonably well built for his age he has struggled with physicality of opposition players in both PL and EL this season which is why his minutes this season have been appropriate for him.
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Apparently he picked up the same virus as my old man had. Obviously there's a huge age gap, but the old man was down for 3 weeks with it and lost a shit load of weight. We were quite worried about him as he's late 70's.

Being younger, Moore would likely recover quicker, but he's also in elite sport, where even marginal losses in fitness are exposed.

As such, it's no real surprise to me that it's taken him weeks to get back to enough fitness that he can get sub minutes, let alone a full 90.
 
Ionman34 said:
Apparently he picked up the same virus as my old man had. Obviously there's a huge age gap, but the old man was down for 3 weeks with it and lost a shit load of weight. We were quite worried about him as he's late 70's.

Being younger, Moore would likely recover quicker, but he's also in elite sport, where even marginal losses in fitness are exposed.

As such, it's no real surprise to me that it's taken him weeks to get back to enough fitness that he can get sub minutes, let alone a full 90.
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Agreed

I'm younger than your old man and thought I was fit for my age, but picked up a variant of a rhinovirus which gave me a week in hospital with extra oxygen to help my breathing and felt weak for a few weeks after. Yet I had avoided any issues with coronavirus when that was a risk, so its random I picked up the virus I did.

So if Mikey caught something similar to what I had, it was not a surprise to me that Mikey took 2 months or more to get back to training as an elite athlete - especially as club medics would be concerned that lungs and other organs might be affected and no sense in taking risks.

Its a shame he lost almost 3 months just when he was starting to get regular minutes and a few starts, but if gets a few more opportunities in the last few games of season and has a decent preseason he'll be well set up for next season.
 
Spursidol said:
I'm a big believer in Moore becoming a very god player

But I think he's actually had a decent amount of playing time this season as a 17 year old who lost almost 3 months due to picking up a virus - something like 600 odd minutes including a few starts - although I had hoped he'd have been fit enough to pick up another say 100 minutes in the last month, but he seems not to have been.

He should be playing more next season (his 18th birthday in August) with a his break through season probably being 2026/27.

Worth remembering that at the start of next season he'll still be about 6 months younger than Gray or Bergvall were when they joined Spurs, so he's quite young and despite being reasonably well built for his age he has struggled with physicality of opposition players in both PL and EL this season which is why his minutes this season have been appropriate for him.
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It’s all valid until you consider this season has been a total write off

The minutes he’s got would be acceptable if we were competing but we’re not and putting him in has been totally derisked.

To add insult to injury we’ve given his minutes to a player out of position, who do we don’t own and offers very little …. Less in fact than MM does imo

The kid at Woolwich got trusted

poxy decision to add to the litany of poxy decisions meted out by this poxy management
 
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RealCoolYid said:
It’s all valid until you consider this season has been a total write off

The minutes he’s got would be acceptable if we were competing but we’re not and putting him in has been totally derisked.

To insult to injury we’ve given his minutes to a player out of position, who do we don’t own and offers very little …. Less in fact than MM does imo

The kid at Woolwich got trusted

poxy decision to add to the litany of poxy decisions meted out by this poxy management
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I do not think it would be normal or wise to play Moore for more than he was prior to his virus.

At his age and physique he shouldn't be playing 90 mins every game.

Good examples of what happens is Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney who played a lot from about Mikey's age but were pretty much washed up by age 25, and downhill from there.
 
Spursidol said:
I do not think it would be normal or wise to play Moore for more than he was prior to his virus.

At his age and physique he shouldn't be playing 90 mins every game.

Good examples of what happens is Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney who played a lot from about Mikey's age but were pretty much washed up by age 25, and downhill from there.
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Don’t agree with you mate

just play him

Rooney world class for most of his lengthy career and wasn’t washed up at 25 (also Rooney is a unique case due to his unusual early adolescence)

Owen won the ballon dor and was fine until his hamstring injury

Plus there’s loads of great players all started getting serious minutes of men’s football early in their teens

10 games at the end of season isn’t gonna break him physically
 
RealCoolYid said:
Don’t agree with you mate

just play him

Rooney world class for most of his lengthy career and wasn’t washed up at 25 (also Rooney is a unique case due to his unusual early adolescence)

Owen won the ballon dor and was fine until his hamstring injury

Plus there’s loads of great players all started getting serious minutes of men’s football early in their teens

10 games at the end of season isn’t gonna break him physically
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I agree with you...

You cannot compare Rooney or Owen to Moore's scenario & it's quite odd to do so in my opinion.

I would like Moore to get more minutes in the PL - I witnessed his first goal in person against Elfsborg & within that match I have no issue playing him, get the confidence up & get him to gel with the team on the pitch.

He's in the squad for a reason - Barça didn't know how Yamal would play, Woolwich didn't know how MLS would play & they're both internationals after showing the world what they have. Not saying run the player ragged.

I don't like using age as a crutch, if he's old enough to wear the shirt he's old enough to play.
 
TonySoprano said:
Bit too much for my liking. I think he has more talent than Tel and a higher ceiling. Time will tell if he reaches the levels of top players but for his age he’s showing good signs. Hopefully a better manager and coaches get hold of him soon.
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Shit, you're talking about Tel. I'm so fucking daft, I was thinking you referred to Werner..

You are right and I agree.
 
RealCoolYid said:
Don’t agree with you mate

just play him

Rooney world class for most of his lengthy career and wasn’t washed up at 25 (also Rooney is a unique case due to his unusual early adolescence)

Owen won the ballon dor and was fine until his hamstring injury

Plus there’s loads of great players all started getting serious minutes of men’s football early in their teens

10 games at the end of season isn’t gonna break him physically
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Messi wasn’t playing regular 90’s at 17.

It’s case by case. Rooney was a man and ready to play. I look at Saka and think he’s played way too much football already and not even close to his physical peak.

There’s been decent studies done into the volume of running a player can get through in their legs before they burn out and whilst the best all play more minutes and run more KMs, you want to have them run those KMs when they are in their physical prime. You could risk wasting Moore’s legs on playing too much when he’s not in his prime and then burn him out before you see what he can really become,

Encouraging thing is vs West Ham he looked much closer to the level physically than he has done all season. It definitely looks like he will get there physically and we know he has it technically and mentally.
 
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