I don't think we got Mourinho 10 years too late. I think at any point he would have been a terrible idea. His idea of football is literally the exact opposite of what Spurs fans and Spurs history demand.
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Agreed...... I guess all I've been saying is it's too easy to to look at a hire and just assume it be for a certain reason just cos it conveniently fits a narrative.
Like I said; we didn't get Jose cos he was cheap; we got him cos Levy had a boner for him and he was finally became within reach.
I think if you take the 2016 - 2018 Spurs squad and add 2013 Jose (or even from the same era); the trophy drought would have ended.
We had a killer defense, a beastly none-shall-pass MF and fwds that had enough individual quality to do damage if left to their own devices.... Perfect for Jose-ball.
Completely agree but he at least was a very good manager from around 2003 to 2012, albeit not one i ever wanted. We appointed him when he had stopped being a good manager but still had the borinģ football and obnoxious traits. In fact both had got worse over the years.
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Yeah, I absolutely agree with all of that. By the time he rocked up at the Lane he was an utterly toxic individual trapped in his own schtick.
19 months playing at Wembley, no one bought in 2018, Sanchez and Aurier main buys from 2017 (for which he is partly culpable), Walker sold, Dembele starting to fade, bad injuries to others and a wafer thin squad. So yes, you're probably right but there are fairly strong mitigating factors.
Yeah, but I still wouldn't want to watch it. I am not interested in watching a team playing defensive, counter-attacking football. I don't think that's the Spurs "identity" and it's just not what I enjoy in football.
I think the narrative in the media and then among the fans of what happened to that team, and what happened internally at the club were probably very different, but we're never likely to get an honest account of what actually happened since the people involved have no real interest in telling the outside world their version of events.
I guess a lot depends on one's idea of "terrible"..... We've spent years now being rinsed by our own fans for a lack of trophies...... It's taken a good 5, 6, 7, 8 years (perhaps since Redknapp left) for some to come back to the thinking that perhaps the week-to-week enjoyment of the game may be more important than a singular moment in a season that facilitates some bragging rights.
A lot supported the idea of bringing Jose in; 76% of this forum wanted Conte at the peak of it's hunger for him...... Now the talk of DNA & identity seems to be topping the agenda once more.
Better than being unsuccessful and boring
It does. Personally, I was never that obsessed about trophies, as those singular moments were depending on luck. We were bloody close to trophies on multiple occasions under Pochettino, and but for some luck (and the entire rest of the league rolling over for Leicester) we could have had a few pots. We had none, but I still had more fun watching because the style of play was something I enjoyed. I didn't enjoy the approach post-Pochettino, even if it made results more "certain."
Some people are still stuck in 2012 and think Levy is a penny-pinching miser of a chairman. Of course we will pay the money if we are convinced he's the one to take us forward.
Not everything in that 2.5 year decline can be laid on recruitment. Also Pochettino arguing to be more hands on with recruitment, and not wanting a DOF played a part in that recruitment failing.
I’m not laying it all on Pochettino’s door, but it wasn’t just the last 6 months and it wasn’t just the recruitment that was responsible for some of the shit Pochettino churned out.
I'm pointing the finger at both sides for us declining after 2018 but that is not my point regardless so whatever...
To only use a minimal period of 6 months in a largely successful reign which lasted 5 seasons and come to a conclusion about his OVERALL time there is completely disingenuous and unfair.
Our better chance was actually the year Chelsea won it by going on that 13 game winning streak. If you look at the underlying stats they outperformed their xPts by 17. Seven-fucking-teen! Which means they were lucky beyond belief and which also takes some of the luster away from what Conte achieved that season with them. We were also lucky that season (but not that lucky), as we too outperformed our xPts by 10. So the one season we got the rub of the green, another team got it even more than us.
And I'm going to go off on a tangent here to illustrate that Conte may not be all the he is cranked up to be.
That entire 16/17 season was a very weird one. City underperformed their xPts by 7 and Chelsea outperformed theirs by 17. That's a 24 point swing! Based on performances City should have run away with the title that year. Based on performances City should have run away with the title every year since Pep took over, which puts him in a class all by himself. Having your team perform better than any other team for 6 straight years (and so far they are the better performers this year too) in the toughest league is phenomenal. Conte is a good manager, but he had a lot of luck on his side when he won with Chelsea, and quite a bit of luck when he won with Inter. You need some luck to win, but in his case it has really gone his way, which I think artificially embellished his ability as a coach.
Still not 100% Conte is actually going but assuming he is...
Changed vote to Amorim.
Mainly so we can sing "When the goons get knocked out and the Spurs start to shout, That's Amorim"...
but also because he's super interesting as a manager profile. Plays attacking football with 3-4-4 but more flexible than the way we do now, plays young players, get's the best out of Porro....
and the big one is that despite miracle wins in both his seniors jobs so far, he won't come with the baggae that the big names like Jose, Conte, even Poch or Enrique would.
Plus he is a woolwich killer.
Changed vote to Amorim.
Mainly so we can sing "When the goons get knocked out and the Spurs start to shout, That's Amorim"...
but also because he's super interesting as a manager profile. Plays attacking football with 3-4-4 but more flexible than the way we do now, plays young players, get's the best out of Porro....
and the big one is that despite miracle wins in both his seniors jobs so far, he won't come with the baggae that the big names like Jose, Conte, even Poch or Enrique would.
Plus he is a woolwich killer.
Poch comes back. Not convinced on Luis Enrique, good manager but again the fit.
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