Balanced post but it's wrong to dismiss the facts that for 2 if not 3 years we had the best team,, irrespective of how it came about.
Diddly squat.
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Balanced post but it's wrong to dismiss the facts that for 2 if not 3 years we had the best team,, irrespective of how it came about.
Diddly squat.
Not for you then.
Clearly nobody has any idea who the number one target is for the club, however if you really think about it it becomes pretty obvious, that two's Kompany...
Kane and Son have carried this team in terms of goals and winning matches last few seasons.
We need a bloody good scouting team in there now to replace them. Parrott and Scarlett are not going to be the answer.
But looking back Bale we scouted and sold for a profit. Modric, Berbatov both fit that profile too.
Then Son, Toby, Dembele, Eriksen, Vertongen good scouting added to Kane appearing from the Academy. Very good players who unfortunately coincided with the stadium move.
But since then we seem to scout players who aren’t great and then keep them a long time.
It’s a massive task ahead. Levy needs to remember what worked back in those days and recreate that for 2023 onwards.
On that note. Ajax announced today that their head of youth development is leaving at the end of the season.
We should be all over that as well.
We used to buy some decent players. We dont anymore. The last truly great signing we made was Son 8 years ago. The modest 'success' from 2005 to 2019 was built on the back of the Pleat/Arnesen idea of buying young and promising players like Defoe, Dawson, Carrick, Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale, Eriksen, Alli. This worked until around 2015 but then prices went through the roof and we havent really had a clue what to do since.
SInce 2019 we have basically been carried by Son and Kane. 2 of our greatest ever forwards. No one else has contributed anything of note over more than half a season of decent form in those 4 years.
Its pretty straightforward really, we were ok upto a point say around 2015 or 2016, there were some decent times but they are long gone, our owners have run out of ideas, make consistantly crap decisions and have served their purpose. It happens in every industry, time moves on and you need fresh ideas.
Clearly nobody has any idea who the number one target is for the club, however if you really think about it it becomes pretty obvious, that two's Kompany...
How on earth do you claim an upward trajectory?
We have gone from challenging for titles / 3rd and 2nd place finishes to Europa Conference place finishes and it's looking unlikely we qualify for CL again.
Not that I've ever been one of the top four = success fans.
We've gone from a spine featuring Lloris (before he was past his sell by date)Alderweirald, Vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen, Kane. To the current shit show featuring players like Dier who wasn't even good enough for Poch 5 yrs ago....
We have chewed up and spat out two world class managers and are currently managerless.
And you want to talk about realism? Lol
You are out of your depth.
We've been steadily regressing and will regress further when Kane leaves.
Pull your head out of your jacksie
I don't know enough about him, his team or the current Ajax state of play. I know that Ajax sacked ETH's successor as they were pretty bad.
We should/should we be wary that Feyenoord are top because Ajax are a shambles?
Don't forget, football was invented in the 90s when the PL was started and we were owned by Sugar. Nothing prior to that period in time counts and, basing it on league position alone, we are better.
Still want Poch. Get it done
Mourinho was signed without his right hand man that ran all his training sessions and we forced a terrible assistant on him. Poch we made worldclass.
The mid to late 90’s has so much to answer for, not just being one of the worst decades in the clubs history going back but the scar of it means fans seem to be happy with mediocrity just because it’s ‘’better than the 90’s’’. I mean fuck the 80’s, 60’s and 50’s all that with a few titles and FA Cups the 90’s is when the club was founded.
The 90’s to us is like 2003 to Chelsea, nothing happened before that. I would like a league title if just to say fuck the 90’s (even though we did win an FA Cup and League Cup in the 90’s).
You say that as if ENIC has the monopoly on shit footballing decisions. United has been making shit footballing decisions for the past decade and only now under ten Hag seem to be righting the ship. Liverpool made a ton of shit footballing decisions before they appointed Klopp. City becae the powerhouse it is after they appointed Pep. Chelsea is a basket case that I can't even begin to analyze, but they generally make shit footballing decisions until they hire the right manager.
See a theme here? It's the manager. Has ENIC made shit managerial appointments? You bet your ass it has. But they've also made excellent managerial appointments. Have other teams always been spot on in their managerial appointments? Of course not. It's impossible to get it right all the time. So to blast ENIC because of that is a bit disingenuous.
And it's also disingenuous to assume that they will never learn from the their mistakes, but will continue making shit footballing decisions (which is the reason I assume you want them out). Especially when there is evidence that a clear line is beginning to be drawn between the business and football sides by the appointment of a DoF and CFO, which is geared towards leaving football decisions to football people, who will hopefully make fewer shit football decisions (and they will still make a few, believe me).
But these things do not happen overnight. They take time. Blast the ownership for not starting this process sooner and I will wholeheartedly agree. But to want them out now that they have actually started the process is baffling and pure knee-jerk. Because even if we get new ownership there is no guarantee that they will get it right from the start. For all we know they might set us back. You're definitely entitled to want new owners, but for now I would rather stick with the ones who have made the mistakes and have learned from them. If in 3-4 years time I see the same ones being repeated again, then I'll join you.
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Agreed this is why I cannot get behind Slot as our next manager:
1. I know nothing about him
2. Apart from Marseille and Lazio he has not beat anyone big in Europe yet.
3. Eredivisie is a weak league where if Ajax are bad the title is a close run thing.
4. Club infrastructure could have more to do with his success Frank Arnesen set up their scouting network and was technical director until he retired last summer and selected his successor.
It's not linear. There will be ups and there will be downs. What matters is the trajectory. We have gone from dreaming about Europe in the early 2000s to consistently in Europe, and from consistently in Europe to considering a season that we don't make CL a failure. Not to mention that, the closer you get to the top, the more difficult it is to get to the next level.
Wow!!!
If Carling did Fighting Cock posts!
Probably one of the best posts I have ever read on this forum
Time is fine but it’s been 20 years. We have gone from the likes of Ramos to Redknapp to AVB to Sherwood to Poch to Jose to Nuno to Conte.
None of these managers barring maybe Jose and pound shop Jose in Nuno have any tactical similarities. Our purchasing of players, hiring of managers has seemingly no strategic element, it’s all tactical short term moves.
This is a club whose history is defined by being attacking, even our motto reflects this history and we have had an entire selection of boring managers. This does not indicate an ownership that understands the club or it’s history. No owner that understood Spurs DNA would hire Nuno, not in a million years.
We are not going to be winning things until there is serious modernisation of the football side building a core football philosophy at the club. 20 plus years of this.
ENIC have done marvellous on the infrastructure, they have created stability after the Sugar years they have set up the club well to be run by someone else who understands modern football better. They have a legacy but they are burning fans goodwill at the moment becuase they have shown little to no strategic understanding of football, not the finances of football but football itself.
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