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Not wanting him back is not the same thing as dismissing his achievements you dullard. Stop mentioning me, I think you're a prick have no time for anything you say.
We all know you're a prick.. I thought you had me on ignore? I'll mention anybody i want so keep your trap shut and stop spouting tedious drivel about Poch. Then i won't have to mention you will i?

Either that or get used to being mentioned you thick twat.
 


No real shock. We can all see this stuff, right? It's one of those where you don't even really need the stats, it's just obvious by using your eyes. Kane's been terrible all season but equally, can anyone remember us getting the ball to his feet in a good position in the box? Same with Son really, feeding off scraps.

We are pound for pound by far the most dour team in England right now. We have a striker we apparently value at 150 mill or whatever it is, and we couldn't even get him a touch in the box against Crystal pissing Palace.
 
Anyone we get in is going to be a yes man or they going to get sacked. The problem is that any coach we employ with ambition is not going to backed by ENIC. If Poch couldn't get them to do it, no one else can.
So what's the point then?
I've already sold my ticket this weekend. Should we all throw the towel in?

What can we, the biggest stakeholder of THFC actually DO?

Surely we need to start becoming more vociferous
 
Maybe we should be looking at Wolves again for a coach.

I'm not gonna lie, I've enjoyed watching them play this season and they're now starting to get results to match it.
 
Basically, I found yesterday's game useful in reviewing Nuno at Spurs. I've tried to avoid pilling in on him, looking mainly at the positive aspects and with some context to hand that he was dealt with since joining. (The approach to the first half at Woolwich however I simply can't brush off as anything other than negligence).

There is very little between Tottenham and West Ham right now. Two teams who play, an almost identical formation of football 4-2-3-1, neither press-high both preferring to sit into a narrow midblock. Moyes has had his side longer than Nuno has so more of his players know their individual roles and each other and let's not forget that there were plenty of "Moyes out" shouts at the same period into his 2nd stint as there are now with Nuno.

But you have to look at how West Ham plays to help act as your compass to how Spurs will play under Nuno if given the time that Moyes has been given at West Ham.

Pause here, think about this objectively. Do you want Spurs playing like "high-flying West Ham" under Moyes? Do you want them to rely on set pieces? Rely totally on one attacker (Antonio) to possibly deliver a goal from open play. Hoof endless crosses into the box for him to get on the end of?

I think it's clear that Nuno isn't right for Spurs, I would guess that if Nuno was given longer he would have Spurs as well organised as West Ham are now (all players knowing and performing their roles) but I can see deep down that a well-drilled Nuno team will in fact look exactly like West Ham under Moyes now!!

This translates into a really dull side to watch and a side that might pick up the 4th place if say Man U continue to be poor. It means 100% that's as good as it would ever be, and that's why Nuno should be sacked now and Spurs should roll the dice on a more progressive coach (Ten Haag, Potter, Poch etc) the max under Nuno is the same as the max under Moyes with West Ham (4th if one of the top 5 play crap).

West Ham fans haven't been this "good" in two generations so they can afford to stomach this dull midblock set-piece reliance and that's why there is a more upbeat feel to them. Spurs fans have tasted what it's like to have their side play better than the sum of their parts under an exciting progressive coach, I just wish Levy would also take stock of what was everything good about Poch and look to replicate that, the model was there and he chose to rip it up.

I don't want to get hung up on bringing Poch back (I love the guy) and don't even want to get things up on one particular coach as there really are several out there that can all come in have a better blueprint of football after a period of coaching. It's also highly likely that the process might take a couple of coaches, which is absolutely fine if they are two coaches that are similar in their philosophies (an example of this is even seen at Chavs, Lampard wasn't very good but he did enable them to break the cycle of highering reactive coaches, he was key to have them play a high-pressing, possession-based game for the first time in a decade, I think Tuchel has benefited from Fat Franks spell).

I have no hatred for Nuno, I think he's had a lot of things go against him since joining mainly affecting his selections and then attempts at trying to play a certain way. But now with 3 games on a settled side of his choosing, under his coaching, I think it's more than fair to say even afforded more coaching time with these players you have to question what we are transitioning to. I don't like it.

It's time to get in a progressive coach, where the upside is if it works we could be challenging as we were under Poch, as opposed to preying that Utd keeps OGS, play inconsistently and open the door for 4 or 5 other clubs miles off the pace of Chavs, LFC and City fighting for the also-ran +1GD 4th position.
 
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I guess this is my fault. I didn't want Potter because I didn't buy into the whole xG nonsense.

Now look at the state of us.

Brighton's high xG shows they're a well coached attacking team. You don't get a high xG for a season as a team with those individual attackers without having a system which works well in getting players in to strong attacking positions.

And anyhow, you can tell Brighton are a well coached side just by watching them, nobody needs to rely on xG for that. They've got limited ability as a squad but you can see they have a way they wish to play and it translates to well structured performances, even if it doesn't always work.

Potter isn't perfect, we aren't getting a perfect manager. But he'd have been one of many coaches who would have provided us with identity, structure, and a sense of enjoyment in watching your team play. Watching Parker's Bournemouth this season makes me think he'd have achieved the same thing.
 
So what's the point then?
I've already sold my ticket this weekend. Should we all throw the towel in?

What can we, the biggest stakeholder of THFC actually DO?

Surely we need to start becoming more vociferous
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The huge availability of tickets for Saturday is the only thing that will concern Levy. His business model starts unravel when the stadium isn’t full at optimal pricing.

I wonder if there’s a termination clause in the exec box contracts? If I had stumped up say £100k, and couldn’t attract a client to attend I would be looking for compensation
 
I don't blame people for not wanting Potter. It's hard to not assess a manager purely by where their team finishes in the table, and Brighton were low. Parker's team got relegated so was written off entirely by many, how can a manager of a relegated side be good?

But it doesn't always work this way. Pochettino had Espanyol bottom. Sometimes you have to look beyond results when it's with these low down the table sides, and look more at whether they've established an identity well. If they manage it with Brighton, Fulham or Espanyol, they can probably manage it at Spurs, where the far better players will probably lead to the system being far more effective.

If clubs hired managers based on what they could do with relegation threatened sides, Big Sam would be living it up as manager of Real Madrid.
 
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The huge availability of tickets for Saturday is the only thing that will concern Levy. His business model starts unravel when the stadium isn’t full at optimal pricing.

I wonder if there’s a termination clause in the exec box contracts? If I had stumped up say £100k, and couldn’t attract a client to attend I would be looking for compensation
My ticket in the gods sold for the full £75 so there can't me that many available?
 
My issue with Potter was about more than not believing XG was a thing to be fair.

We had a world class player making noises he wanted to go to a bigger club. I didn't and don't believe a coach of Potters stature is the one to change his mind or bring in high calibre replacements.
I also take the whole xG thing with a more open mind. A team at Brightons level will be afforded more space and time by opposition that'll be more open. Against us, half the premier league will typically shut up shop and play for a clean sheet. I also don't rate xG because a weak shot from 5 yards that the attacker rolls to the keeper is rated as a higher xG chance than a curler from 15 yards that beats the keeper and pings off the post. As with almost every single stat ever, there's more to them than the high level numbers but the stato's don't do that.
 
I don't blame people for not wanting Potter. It's hard to not assess a manager purely by where their team finishes in the table, and Brighton were low. Parker's team got relegated so was written off entirely by many, how can a manager of a relegated side be good?

But it doesn't always work this way. Pochettino had Espanyol bottom. Sometimes you have to look beyond results when it's with these low down the table sides, and look more at whether they've established an identity well. If they manage it with Brighton, Fulham or Espanyol, they can probably manage it at Spurs, where the far better players will probably lead to the system being far more effective.

If clubs hired managers based on what they could do with relegation threatened sides, Big Sam would be living it up as manager of Real Madrid.
Agree with this. Its often about the potential fit. Its why Parker might be an interesting choice but clearly that wont be happenning until the summer, just like Potter and ten Hag.
 
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