Let’s go through this properly because you keep denying you have said things that you have, in fact, said.
First, people paying top dollar is not in dispute. Nobody said they weren’t. The point is you told me I was inventing the idea that you use ticket prices to justify booing. Yet your own words were, “The people who are booing have been paying top dollar to watch this charade for 6 consecutive seasons now.” That is literally using cost to validate the behaviour. You might not like that being pointed out, but it’s there in black and white. You can’t accuse me of inventing scenarios when you are tying yourself in knots about what you have written.
Second, I have never said supporters can’t express dissatisfaction. I have said I do not, and will not, boo during a match because dragging your own players while the game is still in progress makes the incompetence worse. I cannot see how that is the outrageous stance you seem to think it is. After the match, criticise them all you like. Same at half time. I said that from the start.
Third, I don’t boo. If I ever have, it would have been post match, not during play. You asked whether it should be banned. No, of course not, I just choose not to join in because I like to think I have a bit more control over my emotions than screaming at a keeper five minutes into a match.
Yes, we do sort of agree about half time. My whole point since my first post has been specifically about booing a player during the match for one mistake. That is the part I object to.
You will not find that anywhere because I never said it. I said I don’t think it works and I have yet to see evidence that it does. There is, however, plenty of psychological evidence showing the opposite. If you are going to claim I said something, at least quote it.
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that booing does fire him up. Vicario might think, fine, I’ll show them, and he has, more than once. He’s kept us in games, he’s helped us win matches, and for a while the noise dies down. But the moment he makes another mistake, the same people are straight back on him. At some point he’s bound to think, what’s the point in proving anything when the first slip brings the whole lot of it crashing back on my head? That cycle helps no one, least of all the team you claim to be trying to motivate.
You keep repeating that you never linked paying money to saying what you want. I have quoted the line where you did exactly that, so repeating it doesn’t make it vanish.
Again repeating yourself… answered earlier. Getting yourself all in knots here.
You did, again showed you the quote where you equated the two.
Your comparison between Regis and modern players is the part I said was pointless. The quote you now want to pretend wasn’t part of that was, “These millionaire footballers are actually a disgrace. Cyrille Regis and many others had to deal with genuine injustice without the benefits modern players take for granted.” That is comparing the two situations to frame modern players as self pitying because they earn more. My point was that people handle abuse differently. Some brush it off, some spiral. Money doesn’t make them mentally superhuman. Regis handled it incredibly. Others, like Fashanu and Speed, struggled. You cannot pick one example and declare it a universal truth.
Not sure how that relates to the point we were discussing? Another juvenile attempt at a joke. I did do “Competitive” sport at school, got to header it and all. Looks like you failed at the basics of spelling though.
First, people paying top dollar is not in dispute. Nobody said they weren’t. The point is you told me I was inventing the idea that you use ticket prices to justify booing. Yet your own words were, “The people who are booing have been paying top dollar to watch this charade for 6 consecutive seasons now.” That is literally using cost to validate the behaviour. You might not like that being pointed out, but it’s there in black and white. You can’t accuse me of inventing scenarios when you are tying yourself in knots about what you have written.
Second, I have never said supporters can’t express dissatisfaction. I have said I do not, and will not, boo during a match because dragging your own players while the game is still in progress makes the incompetence worse. I cannot see how that is the outrageous stance you seem to think it is. After the match, criticise them all you like. Same at half time. I said that from the start.
Third, I don’t boo. If I ever have, it would have been post match, not during play. You asked whether it should be banned. No, of course not, I just choose not to join in because I like to think I have a bit more control over my emotions than screaming at a keeper five minutes into a match.
Yes, we do sort of agree about half time. My whole point since my first post has been specifically about booing a player during the match for one mistake. That is the part I object to.
You will not find that anywhere because I never said it. I said I don’t think it works and I have yet to see evidence that it does. There is, however, plenty of psychological evidence showing the opposite. If you are going to claim I said something, at least quote it.
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that booing does fire him up. Vicario might think, fine, I’ll show them, and he has, more than once. He’s kept us in games, he’s helped us win matches, and for a while the noise dies down. But the moment he makes another mistake, the same people are straight back on him. At some point he’s bound to think, what’s the point in proving anything when the first slip brings the whole lot of it crashing back on my head? That cycle helps no one, least of all the team you claim to be trying to motivate.
You keep repeating that you never linked paying money to saying what you want. I have quoted the line where you did exactly that, so repeating it doesn’t make it vanish.
Again repeating yourself… answered earlier. Getting yourself all in knots here.
You did, again showed you the quote where you equated the two.
Your comparison between Regis and modern players is the part I said was pointless. The quote you now want to pretend wasn’t part of that was, “These millionaire footballers are actually a disgrace. Cyrille Regis and many others had to deal with genuine injustice without the benefits modern players take for granted.” That is comparing the two situations to frame modern players as self pitying because they earn more. My point was that people handle abuse differently. Some brush it off, some spiral. Money doesn’t make them mentally superhuman. Regis handled it incredibly. Others, like Fashanu and Speed, struggled. You cannot pick one example and declare it a universal truth.
Not sure how that relates to the point we were discussing? Another juvenile attempt at a joke. I did do “Competitive” sport at school, got to header it and all. Looks like you failed at the basics of spelling though.
