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My guy, this is not rocket science. TV money, sponsorship money, matchday income. The first two are scaled at top 4, Champions League levels at present, and the matchday income boom from the stadium gets a lot tougher when you can't fill your stadium with your 9th place laughingstock, especially at the prices we're charging.

No one's going bankrupt here, but a continuation of the enormous revenue growth we've seen in the past decade? Not a snowball's chance in hell if we're not even a Europa League side. The clubs that do get those spots will whiz by us so fast it will make your head spin, making the exact same sort of investments we've made, and not being fucking idiots about it when success arrives.

You're again putting your 'opinion' above reality - stadium ST's are sold out and will remain sold out even with 9th place ... stadium income was targeted at 80m will come in at way over that in what has been a terrible season to date ... in case you forget we were a mid-table team for decades still sold out.

Woolwich have been utter shite for five years, stadium income has gone up ... it's just simple economics.

Clubs will "whiz by us fast" that will be the ones building 60,000 stadiums right? So just who are all these clubs that will whiz by?

Your fantasy football doesn't apply in the business world. Don't scare yourself you're right we are not going bust, in fact it's just the opposite, we will only move forward.

The reality is there are at least six top clubs City, Utd, Woolwich, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Spurs simple arithmetic will tell you that at least two will probably not be in the CL every year. To have that as part of any business plan, or fan expectation, is plain crazy.

Consider this - we are likely to appoint a manager who just five years ago wouldn't have worked for us for all the tea in China - yet you claim DL has failed? why?
 
Said a few days back that it didn’t look like we would sack him, but low and behold we did🤷‍♂️

Firstly, full respect to Pochettino, he came in and hit the ground running, he got us playing some very nice football, he guided us to 4 consecutive top 4 league finishes and set a club premier league points total along the way, he also removed the “soft centre Spurs” tag that had followed us in what seemed like forever, and of course he finished off with a Champions League final appearance, which the club had never ever savoured before, in a nutshell we dined at the same table as Europe’s elite for 4 years....

However, the above mentioned CL final is where it all came to an end, not the result or the final outcome but the days leading up to it, we lost Pochettino there and then, win or lose, it didn’t really matter, he was gone either way. Win it he walks off into the sunset, lose it, well we see the aftermath of this season first hand, he simply lost interest.
But thank you Pochettino it was a great chapter in our history, gone but never forgotten!!

I do feel a great relief now that it’s over, it was like watching a dying family pet suffer and that was hard to watch.
But I feel the excitement creeping back in slowly, a fresh start awaits and weather it’s Jose or someone else I for one can’t wait!!
 
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im sorry
 
You're again putting your 'opinion' on reality

As is, by definition, any revenue projection into the future. It's all a question of assumptions.

stadium ST's are sold out and will remain sold out even with 9th place

Not for long.


in case you forget we were a mid-table team for decades still sold out.

Spurs will always be a well-supported club, but 62k at world-leading prices? Not a chance. No club could support that without European football.

Woolwich have been utter shite for five years, stadium income has gone up

Actually, their matchday income has gone down over the past five years, all of which have involved European football
2015: 100.2M
2019: 98.9M

Clubs will "whiz by us fast" that will be the ones building 60,000 stadiums right?

You'd better believe other clubs will continue investing in stadium infrastructure. What, you think the whole industry just freezes once we make our move?

Your fantasy football doesn't apply in the business world.

You're so used to arguing against idiots you've gone native.

Revenue not continuing to exponentially grow from the present state in a scenario in which we are locked out of European football is a statement of the absolute fucking obvious. You disagree because YOU don't understand the business plan, YOU don't understand the genius of ENIC's Spurs.

The club will be fine. No one is doing a Leeds. But the Daniel Levy: Business Savant mythos is on thin ice, and the bootlickers who don't want to see it are making fools of themselves at this point.
 
Serioulsy?

The EPL has seen club values rise by an average of 400m in the last twenty years - we've risen by nearly 1,700 million in that same time period ... you think that's "similar value"?

You think Liverpool and Spurs numbers are the same? in the last seven years Liverpool have pulled in 500m more than Spurs, they spend 100m a year more on wages than we do, that's why they are ahead. It's all about the money.


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What did they buy the club for? 200M? And what was the quoted selling price yo mentioned? 2B? And do you think investment vehicles like ENIC buy perfectly or over-valued assets? Spurs were undervalued in their eyes at the time of purchase. That's how things work.

clubs like Palace were purchased for 10-11M and are now on the market for 250M. And that's in half the time of ENIC's time at Spurs. That's not Parrish, that's the PL. Some clubs had less headspace but my point stands. The growth of the club is more PL based than anything DL or ENIC has done. We've won fuckall outside of a LC in that time. That doesn't increase the value of your club independent of the league.

I would say that Pool and city's (obvs other factors involved here) growth is more independent of the league than ours considering their titles/cups won. And a significant proportion of our value is hard assets that are more easily pinned down on paper, you know, to sell.

And you point to revenue increases from 2012-2018. It's all broadcasting and commercial. sure DL had to make those deals but they didn't come because of our success. They came because of our position in the PL.
 
Late to the party, but just want to say: FUUUUCCCKKKK! Oh please god don't get Mourinho. I'd rather have Pepe than Jose. Fuck that bloke from Leipzig. If we're sacking Poch, we need to buy proven class or at least someone with PL experience. Now is not the time to gamble, surely?
 
Little bit of both, right? The rising tide lifted all boats, and we lifted our place among the boats.
Yes. My argument was it was more PL as all the boats were lifted by that tide in similar fashion. BK wants to lay all the success at DL's feet which I say is BS.

And the bolded part is why we were an appealing investment vehicle for them. We had further to go.
 
As is, by definition, any revenue projection into the future. It's all a question of assumptions.



Not for long.




Spurs will always be a well-supported club, but 62k at world-leading prices? Not a chance. No club could support that without European football.



Actually, their matchday income has gone down over the past five years, all of which have involved European football
2015: 100.2M
2019: 98.9M



You'd better believe other clubs will continue investing in stadium infrastructure. What, you think the whole industry just freezes once we make our move?



You're so used to arguing against idiots you've gone native.

Revenue not continuing to exponentially grow from the present state in a scenario in which we are locked out of European football is a statement of the absolute fucking obvious. You disagree because YOU don't understand the business plan, YOU don't understand the genius of ENIC's Spurs.

The club will be fine. No one is doing a Leeds. But the Daniel Levy: Business Savant mythos is on thin ice, and the bootlickers who don't want to see it are making fools of themselves at this point.

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Spurs a shame of 3rd April show on their accounts that we currently sit on £290m of retained earnings which is huge compared to most PL clubs and we are forecast to make a further £150m profit this year due to our season last time around.

Realistically we will have accounts showing c£425m of retained monies from previous goings on. Hugely different to the £600m or so Chelsea OWE their owners. Likewise with Man City.
 
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