I hear the word progressive my mind immediately thinks wanker.
On that basis I agree with your statement.
Paris is indeed full of wankers
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On that basis I agree with your statement.
Paris is indeed full of wankers
So not as bad money as some of the other bad money... Fine.
It's not THAT bad money... It's all the other bad money that's the problem!
...there's probably no such thing as '100% good money' it's all bad if you look hard enough.
I can’t believe my specialist topic of London v Paris has come up. I don’t agree with
MemphisWill
but the reaction by lots of butt hurt Londoners at an innocuous comment is funny.
In some ways there’s a clear difference between the cities in how progressive they are and in other ways it’s impossible to say (and pointless to even try). Overall how can you really split them?
For London…
- Only one city has phenomenal social and racial mixing. Poor and rich live very close to each other (one of London’s great strengths despite slipping over the past decade). Holland Park / Ladbroke Grove full of these pockets, as an example.
For Paris…
- Only one city has made a genuine, consistent effort on Green issues. Socialist mayor Hidalgo is kicking cars off the road and the whole of central Paris will be car free (with caveats) in the coming years. Also recycling is a thing in Paris (unless London has caught up).
However… France as a whole is more progressive than the U.K. So many fiscal decisions still taken for the benefit of the people which are excellent. Take child care - in France if you earn the median or below then you don’t pay a cent. Those who earn more (like me) paid very little. And it was high quality. In England? Not so much…
Shotgunofmichalebrow
- the pride comparison is a bit silly. A party is not the same as rights. Oscar Wilde was chased from the U.K. for being gay and sought refuge in France - he’s buried in Père Lachaise. Homosexuality has not been a crime in France since 1791. In England and wales that date is 1967.
MemphisWill
but the reaction by lots of butt hurt Londoners at an innocuous comment is funny.In some ways there’s a clear difference between the cities in how progressive they are and in other ways it’s impossible to say (and pointless to even try). Overall how can you really split them?
For London…
- Only one city has phenomenal social and racial mixing. Poor and rich live very close to each other (one of London’s great strengths despite slipping over the past decade). Holland Park / Ladbroke Grove full of these pockets, as an example.
For Paris…
- Only one city has made a genuine, consistent effort on Green issues. Socialist mayor Hidalgo is kicking cars off the road and the whole of central Paris will be car free (with caveats) in the coming years. Also recycling is a thing in Paris (unless London has caught up).
However… France as a whole is more progressive than the U.K. So many fiscal decisions still taken for the benefit of the people which are excellent. Take child care - in France if you earn the median or below then you don’t pay a cent. Those who earn more (like me) paid very little. And it was high quality. In England? Not so much…
Shotgunofmichalebrow
- the pride comparison is a bit silly. A party is not the same as rights. Oscar Wilde was chased from the U.K. for being gay and sought refuge in France - he’s buried in Père Lachaise. Homosexuality has not been a crime in France since 1791. In England and wales that date is 1967.
Nope. The annual Social Progress Index is published and has France a place behind the U.K.
Social Progress Index - Wikipedia
They're two very comparable countries on most issues. Some areas where France edges ahead and some where the U.K edges ahead, which is the same in every field .. military, economically etc. Neither country is miles ahead of the other in anything, really.
Good postI can’t believe my specialist topic of London v Paris has come up. I don’t agree with
In some ways there’s a clear difference between the cities in how progressive they are and in other ways it’s impossible to say (and pointless to even try). Overall how can you really split them?
For London…
- Only one city has phenomenal social and racial mixing. Poor and rich live very close to each other (one of London’s great strengths despite slipping over the past decade). Holland Park / Ladbroke Grove full of these pockets, as an example.
For Paris…
- Only one city has made a genuine, consistent effort on Green issues. Socialist mayor Hidalgo is kicking cars off the road and the whole of central Paris will be car free (with caveats) in the coming years. Also recycling is a thing in Paris (unless London has caught up).
However… France as a whole is more progressive than the U.K. So many fiscal decisions still taken for the benefit of the people which are excellent. Take child care - in France if you earn the median or below then you don’t pay a cent. Those who earn more (like me) paid very little. And it was high quality. In England? Not so much…
For Paris…
- Only one city has made a genuine, consistent effort on Green issues. Socialist mayor Hidalgo is kicking cars off the road and the whole of central Paris will be car free (with caveats) in the coming years. Also recycling is a thing in Paris (unless London has caught up)
I think London is close on these points. Completely agree on France as a whole and how it’s better
That the same France that only set the age of consent at 15 after quite the past of sexually abusing children no less than 2 years ago?
So progressive.
So progressive.
mandatory - isn't it?I can’t believe my specialist topic of London v Paris has come up. I don’t agree with
In some ways there’s a clear difference between the cities in how progressive they are and in other ways it’s impossible to say (and pointless to even try). Overall how can you really split them?
For London…
- Only one city has phenomenal social and racial mixing. Poor and rich live very close to each other (one of London’s great strengths despite slipping over the past decade). Holland Park / Ladbroke Grove full of these pockets, as an example.
For Paris…
- Only one city has made a genuine, consistent effort on Green issues. Socialist mayor Hidalgo is kicking cars off the road and the whole of central Paris will be car free (with caveats) in the coming years. Also recycling is a thing in Paris (unless London has caught up).
However… France as a whole is more progressive than the U.K. So many fiscal decisions still taken for the benefit of the people which are excellent. Take child care - in France if you earn the median or below then you don’t pay a cent. Those who earn more (like me) paid very little. And it was high quality. In England? Not so much…
If only !I think we should all relax, they clearly met to get this deal over the line and nothing else.
I’ll take the study at face value in a second.Nope. The annual Social Progress Index is published and has France a place behind the U.K.
Social Progress Index - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
They're two very comparable countries on most issues. Some areas where France edges ahead and some where the U.K edges ahead, which is the same in every field .. military, economically etc. Neither country is miles ahead of the other in anything, really.
But two major criticisms…
1) it’s a measure of social progress, not progressiveness. They are not necessarily the same thing (we we shall see).
2) it’s just one index and one that claims to have a sensitivity of 0.02% (the difference between U.K. and France) in its ranking. That’s not plausible - even in social sciences. Even France’s lead in 2020 of 0.24% is not credible. It’s not that the LEAD is small… it’s that you can’t measure complex societal features to that degree of accuracy.
Anyway… most categories are basically the same for the two countries which probably is fair. Note, I didn’t say either country was « miles ahead ».
Only potentially significant differences?
+4.87 for the U.K. - access to information and communications. Broadband access might be a good measure of social progress but not progressiveness.
+3.29 for France - health and wellness. This is a good measure of progressiveness.
+5.06 for France - inclusiveness. This is a good measure of progressiveness.
even Oxf
Even Oxfam were on shaky ground a few years back
Great point
That the same France that gave us
Johnny Halliday and lots of irrelevant bollocks.
While Blighty gave the Beatles, Stones and many others that changed modern culture for ever..
On the other hand that Brigitte Bardot bird was tasty back in the day.
Is food a criteria of being progressive?
Sorry pie and mashers and turkey twizzlers...
Sorry pie and mashers and turkey twizzlers...
In order to broker peace between the French and the English I offer this:
Both nations may go back to their usual business of hating us now.
Both nations may go back to their usual business of hating us now.
Is food a criteria of being progressive?
Sorry pie and mashers and turkey twizzlers...
That's both literally and metaphorically one hell of an insult.