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Rules Referees & Impartiality: Can this be delivered on a consistent basis?
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To be honest, I don't know exactly. Klopp overdoes it a bit, but I think it is unwise to think that all of his protests are biased, or the nature of his protests invalidates them in some way. How many times have you lost your shit because you were in the right? I'd probably love to play under Klopp.
We can talk all we want about how in a utopian society Poch should have gotten fairer treatment from referees for not being a dick to them. But last time I checked the world ain't a nice place and is run by fascist pricks. It's not really about referees and managers. It is about if you are compassionate towards corrupt authority figures you get fucked over even more-so. That's the reality of life.
Refs may have hated Klopp but they respected him, and that's what matters. Refs elbowed Robertson and got away with it. Tbh I may have elbowed Robertson too but I'd be man enough to take the punishment. Klopp said plenty of times officials said things to him that weren't right. Refs denied this at the time but curiously didn't release the audio, which could have actually exposed it earlier.
Managers may overstep the line and we don't want them to in an ideal world, but the refs rarely look at their own or punish their own with similar scrutiny, or get it right even in reviews. It's like saying you shouldn't be mean to a politician, or blow up a member of a royal family, but then you find out decades later they were all rapists and paedos.
Mourinho is exposing refs too. Again no one cares because of how bitter and cuntish Mourinho is, but the problem is he may be more right than wrong. My point is they don't always hate the language of the protester like they say they do, but more-so they hate it because there is an element of truth to it.
I watched Salah get his shoulder broken by an MMA move by Ramos, not even a card or any retrospective punishment, and people are still saying it is a Liverpool victim mentality to complain or protest about it or lose their shit at Ramos. Maybe, but I'd two foot Ramos like Eric Dier did.
In my opinion, football suffers from this problem more than other sports because there is no "legal" way for a coach to challenge a referee's decision.
In basketball and hockey you have the coach's challenge system. Where they can have the referee review their decision on a video screen, and then read the new decision out on a microphone both for the people at home and for the fans in attendance.
Football could do with something similar. As long as it is regulated and within reason. So you don't have coaches abusing it and extending games to extreme lengths.
For example: In the NBA you start out with one guaranteed challenge every game. And if that one is successful you get a new one, but if it fails you have no more chances that game. And you also cannot challenge during the last two minutes of regular play and during the final two minutes of any over time quarter.
refs will make mistakes just like players and managers do, the difference is that players and managers how millions of fans that will back them, refs don't
Klopp called Coote a liar and questioned his integrity, you can question a refs call but to imply they're biased against you or you're team is out of line.
every decision they make is televised. if someone can show me a decision that Coote made that is undeniably 100% the reason of bias against Liverpool I'll say fair enough.
until the Klopp the cunt can shampoo my pubes
and yes I'm sure we'd love Klopp if he was Spurs, we're biased too.
Refs need protection and respect for the sake of the game.
Seems like they’d rather let the poor bugger hang out to dry.
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I've always agreed with the challenge system. Limit it to one per game for each manager or captain. Get another one if you are proved correct.
That isn't really my issue here though. I genuinely don't trust referees to review their own shit properly. The amount of times it goes to VAR and there is still a problem getting to the right or fair decision is insane - I mean to the point where it will inevitably incorrectly take someone's appeal decision away from them and there will be no compensation.
I disagree that refs need more special protection and they are never biased. It is like saying the police deserve special powers because they never murder or assault disabled people when there is no threat.
It's not limited to football and just because I cannot prove to you in court that some refs fix games does not mean I am wrong about it.
If you really think this shit does not go on, I'm sorry but you are at best deceived. It is not on Klopp or me to show evidence, it is on refs to release their full audios:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/168zo3b/tim_donaghy_there_was_one_game_where_allen/?rdt=47942
The Chris Paul vs Scott Foster beef has been going on for years as well.
Makes you wonder what goes through someone’s mind to completely trash someone else’s life like this?! What kind of wanker does this?
This is enough to push some people over the edge!
Well said !!
Oh, game over...
Don’t feel sorry for him. This is a storm of his own making.
I didn’t have a problem with what he said, but given his job he might have been a bit more careful. Then allowing himself get filmed doing coke is a bit idiotic.
He’s a grown man and he’s made his bed, he can lie in it.
This is just getting better and better.
If you want respect you have to give respect.
- pay refs a top wage. It’s a big job. £200k or something which is peanuts relative to the money players get.
- make the training of refs the best in the world, no if no buts. Refs that fails standards demoted next season to the championship.
- simplify the rules. Half the time refs get the decision right and it’s just how the rules are. For example make offside offside, no your inactive bollocks and the goalkeeper shouldn’t be part of it. It should just be last outfield player and that’s it. Simplified rules will be easier to manage and support
- respect. Any player who screams at a ref is a yellow which is mostly the case now. Any manager or coach and the whole coaching team is sent off. A manager post game can question the decision in a TV interview but any nasty comments and it’s a straight 5 match ban.
- only the captain can speak to a ref before, during and after a game. The ref isn’t your mate. Any manager that speak to a ref badly again 3-5 match ban.
Refs have a hard job. Would you rather they all fuck off because of abuse. To be honest I am surprised anyone would want that job.
- pay refs a top wage. It’s a big job. £200k or something which is peanuts relative to the money players get.
- make the training of refs the best in the world, no if no buts. Refs that fails standards demoted next season to the championship.
- simplify the rules. Half the time refs get the decision right and it’s just how the rules are. For example make offside offside, no your inactive bollocks and the goalkeeper shouldn’t be part of it. It should just be last outfield player and that’s it. Simplified rules will be easier to manage and support
- respect. Any player who screams at a ref is a yellow which is mostly the case now. Any manager or coach and the whole coaching team is sent off. A manager post game can question the decision in a TV interview but any nasty comments and it’s a straight 5 match ban.
- only the captain can speak to a ref before, during and after a game. The ref isn’t your mate. Any manager that speak to a ref badly again 3-5 match ban.
Refs have a hard job. Would you rather they all fuck off because of abuse. To be honest I am surprised anyone would want that job.
To be honest, I'd have to be on coke to do that job.
I qualified when I was 17 reffed only reffed a couple of games under 14 one at Enfield playing field back when all the pitches were filled all weekend and one on Hackney marshes. That was my refing career done. Dogs abuse mainly from grown parents. Very intimidating out there on your own.
I qualified when I was 17 reffed only reffed a couple of games under 14 one at Enfield playing field back when all the pitches were filled all weekend and one on Hackney marshes. That was my refing career done. Dogs abuse mainly from grown parents. Very intimidating out there on your own.
What he does in his spare time is nobody else's business.Oh, game over...
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I do think that there should be a structured way for managers to challenge refereeing decisions during a game. As long as it is regulated.
Like suggested earlier. Something like each team's coach/manager and captain get one challenge each per game. No more. And maybe make it so you can challenge during extra time in either half to prevent using it as time wasting.
Be careful what you wish for. It's happening...
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Every time I see this decision it makes fucking angrier. I'm absolutely sure that Joelinton is going either score or assist against us tomorrow.
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Maybe people can share their thoughts but I honestly think the European games are “reffed” so much better than EPL.. I feel like there is less acting and the refs don’t seem to fall for as much shit as they do in the league? Or is it that there is more knockout vibes to these comps so players aren’t conning as much? I dunno, I feel European refs are waaaay better