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Management Relegation

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Do you think we'll stay up?

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    Votes: 184 40.1%

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    Votes: 275 59.9%
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Cranston said:
It’s not nostalgia. AvB was an odd character that obviously rubbed certain people in the club the wrong way. He also joined us when fans probably did have delusions of grandeur.

The football was dour but he was, at worst, a competent manager that would even have enjoyed some success at a more ambitious club.

Ange is basically Tim Sherwood but there’s no gilet that fits him.
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I've been on board with Spurs since Keith Burkinshaw from the Autumn of 1977.

Pleat was a good manager.

Venables was a chancer. A peculiar character. Why did Barcelona recruit the manager of QPR? Venable's Spurs transfer business, Gascoigne and Lineker aside, was the start of Spurs problems throughout the 90's.

Of all the subsequent managers, as much as it pains me to say it, George Graham, Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp and Poch are the only managers who achieved anything of note.

AVB should never have been given the job. He was Jose's DVD man and got his break in football by being Bobby Robson's neighbour. A clueless Chelsea wanker.
 
whether we realistically go down or not, facing that pressure every match will be fucking miserable. at this point it's not about ange anymore, why the fuck hasn't he been sacked yet? it's madness and there has to be a bigger reason lurking in the background. relegation is an atomic bomb and we're just dancing around it like it's nothing. i'm completely baffled by it all
 
I genuinely don't think I've ever felt so negative about Spurs in my life. Yes we were shit in the 90's, but we always had a couple of decent players worth watching that would keep you on the edge of your seat. But this lot? Utter garbage. A squad of bang average journeymen and children managed by a clueless gimp with a disinterested chairman who's only interested in filling up his own wallet. We were sold the idea of the new stadium that it would make us be able to compete with the best, and we were sold a lie. We have the highest ticket prices in the land and for what? So we can sign a child goalie with floppy wrists? Great.

It's a shit state of affairs, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Venables was a chancer. A peculiar character. Why did Barcelona recruit the manager of QPR? Venable's Spurs transfer business, Gascoigne and Lineker aside, was the start of Spurs problems throughout the 90's.
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Barcelona appointed him as he was a great coach as he proved when he won them the league in his first season. As for transfer dealings as well as the 2 Tottenham greats you mention, he bought in Thorstvedt, Nayim, Anderton and Sheringham. We sold on Stewart and Ruddock for decent profit and both did ok with us. A few duffers in there as well no question. (Fenwick, Cundy, Durie)

Spurs problems in the 90s were totally based on Scholar almost bankrupting us and then Sugar, who was only interested in selling satellite dishes, trying to turn us into Wimbledon, the club he most admired.
 
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Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Barcelona appointed him as he was a great coach as he proved when he won them the league in his first season. As for transfer dealings as well as the 2 Tottenham greats you mention, he bought in Nayim, Anderton and Sheringham. We sold on Stewart and Ruddock for decent profit and both did ok with us. A few duffers in there as well no question. (Fenwick, Cundy, Durie)

Spurs problems in the 90s were totally based on Scholar almost bankrupting us and then Sugar, who was only interested in selling sattelite dishes, trying to turn us into Wimbledon.
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Sheringham and Anderton were decent signings bought with the 5.5 million from the sale of Gascoigne and 1 million sale of Lineker.

At the time that was a downgrade.

Venables also bought Paul Walsh, Bobby Mimms, Terry Fenwick, Steve Sedgley, Jason Cunty, Gordon Durie, Dean Austin and Justin Edinburgh.

He also sold Neil Ruddock for £50,000 and bought him back for £750,000.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Sheringham and Anderton were decent signings bought with the 5.5 million from the sale of Gascoigne and 1 million sale of Lineker.

At the time that was a downgrade.

Venables also bought Paul Walsh, Bobby Mimms, Terry Fenwick, Steve Sedgley, Jason Cunty, Gordon Durie, Dean Austin and Justin Edinburgh.

He also sold Neil Ruddock for £50,000 and bought him back for £750,000.
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Yeah and we sold Ruddock again for £2.5m so good business. Dont think Sedgley was the worst, the rest were poor but who has a faultless track record?
 
The Everton and Leicester games will tell a lot. A decent points haul there and we’ll have enough of a buffer to stay up and I see Ange limping on to the end of the season and he’ll be moved on in the summer.

If we don’t win either of those two games though, well then it’s a proper relegation battle? Would you trust Big Ange for that? I’d get in relegation specialist until the end of the season, Sean Dyche the obvious candidate. Failing that. Sam Allardyce or Ron Atkinson, if he’s still alive.
 
Juno said:
The Everton and Leicester games will tell a lot. A decent points haul there and we’ll have enough of a buffer to stay up and I see Ange limping on to the end of the season and he’ll be moved on in the summer.

If we don’t win either of those two games though, well then it’s a proper relegation battle? Would you trust Big Ange for that? I’d get in relegation specialist until the end of the season, Sean Dyche the obvious candidate. Failing that. Sam Allardyce or Ron Atkinson, if he’s still alive.
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Levy would be impressed by Big Ron’s gold jewellery!!
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Yeah and we sold Ruddock again for £2.5m so good business. Dont think Sedgley was the worst, the rest were poor but who has a faultless track record?
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Ruddock was sold after Venables was sacked.

Venables inherited one of the best Spurs squads I have ever seen in the Autumn of 1987.

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Here is the squad Venables left Spurs with after 6 years.

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Kosher Kid said:
I've been on board with Spurs since Keith Burkinshaw from the Autumn of 1977.

Pleat was a good manager.

Venables was a chancer. A peculiar character. Why did Barcelona recruit the manager of QPR? Venable's Spurs transfer business, Gascoigne and Lineker aside, was the start of Spurs problems throughout the 90's.

Of all the subsequent managers, as much as it pains me to say it, George Graham, Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp and Poch are the only managers who achieved anything of note.

AVB should never have been given the job. He was Jose's DVD man and got his break in football by being Bobby Robson's neighbour. A clueless Chelsea wanker.
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Pleat was a good coach. Had the best Spurs team of my 40 years supporting. Venables is better than you are giving him credit for. Very good training ground coach and players played for him big time
 
94Spurs94 said:
Son's not the best captain. But it's again a matter of who on Earth you would have picked. Look at the most common starting XI the season he got the armband:

Vicario
Porro-Romero-Van de Ven-Udogie
Bissouma-Maddison-Sarr
Johnson-Son-Kulusevski

Johnson, Vicario, Porro, Udogie, Van de Ven and Maddison were all in their first season at the club. Romero at that time was very hotheaded, very lucky not to get more red cards, and accused of having prioritised Argentina over us. Bissouma had only been here one year and there were concerns over his attitude. Sarr was 20 years old and barely ever started a game for us. That leaves Kulusevski as the only remotely plausible alternative - someone who was pretty young at 23, only just made his loan signing officially permanent after 18 months, and doesn't have a reputation as a natural leader either.

Son was the only remotely plausible option. Yet again, Ange is getting the blame for supposedly choosing the wrong captain, when the issue was all about the squad he inherited. And lots of people who cried out for a painful rebuild are now crying that it's painful and that this level of squad overhaul isn't actually easy.
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It's not clear what the right answer was, but the situation was not at all handled in the right way.

I would say more than anything Levy ended up in an awkward spot with succession planning, didn't do anything about it, and just sort of hoped the problem would sort itself. Well guess what? That's not good enough in the Premiership.
 
Juno said:
The Everton and Leicester games will tell a lot. A decent points haul there and we’ll have enough of a buffer to stay up and I see Ange limping on to the end of the season and he’ll be moved on in the summer.

If we don’t win either of those two games though, well then it’s a proper relegation battle? Would you trust Big Ange for that? I’d get in relegation specialist until the end of the season, Sean Dyche the obvious candidate. Failing that. Sam Allardyce or Ron Atkinson, if he’s still alive.
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Just Googled Big Ron who is 85 and still works as a football pundit and after dinner speaker!

I think that he was involved in a racist scandal for his comments about a black Chelsea player where he thought the microphone was turned off!

Wasn’t good as I recall
 
manmountainbutters said:
Pleat was a good coach. Had the best Spurs team of my 40 years supporting. Venables is better than you are giving him credit for. Very good training ground coach and players played for him big time
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I remember being at the game where Pleat was in charge against MCity where we were 3-0 up at HT and Joey Barton had got himself sent off for comments made to the ref as they walked off at HT!

Of course the 2nd half was a nightmare and we lost 4-3 and I honestly thought Pleat was going to have a heart attack jumping up and down on the touchline!!
Would make Legohead appear subdued!

I was in a car of 4 and we went for a drink on the way home to drown our sorrows etc and there were a few City fans there but no trouble and we had a good laugh as they sympathised with us as they were just as inconsistent!

They were there when they were Shit!!
Unlike the wankers you get today!
 
manmountainbutters said:
Pleat was a good coach. Had the best Spurs team of my 40 years supporting. Venables is better than you are giving him credit for. Very good training ground coach and players played for him big time
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For me a lot of what Venables did was questionable.

Paul Stewart was a big money centre forward signing and was a complete flop in that role. It was why it was then necessary to sign Lineker. Stewart did go on to become a very good central midfield player but that was more by luck than judgement in my opinion. The loss Spurs would have incurred on selling Stewart as a failed striker was the real reason he got a further chance in midfield. Spurs were by then skint.

Gordon Durie for 2 million plus was another questionable deal along with that useless arse Jason Cundy from Venable's first love; Chelsea.

Venables was also the reason Spurs got saddled with Alan Sugar and the era of the 'limited budgets' began.

Look at the squad Venables inherited from David Pleat and then look at the squad Ossie Ardiles inherited from Venables.

Venables won the FA Cup in 91 and achieved a 3rd place league finish in 90 but by the time Gascoigne and Lineker left he had turned a silk purse into a sows ear in my opinion. Ossie and Gerry Francis were left with a big job on their hands.
 
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Kosher Kid said:
For me a lot of what Venables did was questionable.

Paul Stewart was a big money centre forward signing and was a complete flop in that role. It was why it was then necessary to sign Lineker. Stewart did go on to become a very good central midfield player but that was more by luck than judgement in my opinion. The loss Spurs would have incurred on selling Stewart as a failed striker was the real reason he got a further chance in midfield. Spurs were by then skint.

Gordon Durie for 2 million plus was another questionable deal along with that useless arse Jason Cundy from Venable's first love; Chelsea.

Venables was also the reason Spurs got saddled with Alan Sugar and the era of the 'limited budgets' began.

Look at the squad Venables inherited from David Pleat and then look at the squad Ossie ardiles inherited from Venables.

Venables won the FA Cup in 91 and achieved a 3rd place league finish in 90 but by the time Gascoigne and Lineker left he had turned a silk purse into a sows ear in my opinion. Ossie and Gerry Francis were left with a big job on their hands.
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You’re bringing back a lot of memories for me!
 
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