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Management Relegation

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Do you think we'll stay up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 184 40.1%

  • No

    Votes: 275 59.9%
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The Dazzler99 said:
On paper we should be ok as we play a lot of the teams around us which theoretically should dent their chances if we beat them. But this can also go against us. Fail to pick up points in the next 3-4 games and we could be screwed
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Yep. For context, taking the teams that are 'around us' to include up to 11th placed Newcastle (trust me when I say that extending this to include Fulham in 10th does not improve the outlook), we've accumulated 17 points from 36 so far (~47%). Of those, only 6 points have been won from the 21 available since 4th October (~28.5%).

We have 6 games left against those 'around us'; even assuming the more optimistic 'season-to-date' rate of ~47%, we're looking at gaining 8 or 9 points, depending on generous you want to be. Taking the arguably more realistic 'recent form' rate of ~28.5% gets us 5 points.

We've either got to improve on our recent form against these teams, or else hope we can get something from games against teams most of us expect to get little or nothing from.
 
There may be a silver lining if we do get relegated.
Imagine a side with all our young loanees playing together in the same team with some of the U21 squad!
Add a sprinkling of GOOD senior players and we'd be cooking with gas.
Also, get enough players for depth, so that there are 2 or 3 players for every position. That is what we are lacking now.

Bring in a manager on a four or five year contact who can install BELIEF into the players.
"Listen lads, we are going to finish in the top 2 and after that, it is up, up, up. All you need is belief".
 
Tottenham Massive said:
It's the culture of the club. There's a thread about it.

For years and years there has been no desire for sporting success at the top and this loser mentality creeps down and infects every aspect of the football club like a virus.

There is so much shit in this squad that any decent player will inevitably have their game dragged down.

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, leads back to the top.

Conte called it. Ange called it. Romero called it.

Until these absolutely disgusting scumbags are driven out of our club the disease will remain and every top player will look for the exit.
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Totally agree with this. We've had the managers and at times, we've had the players. But thanks to the owners, managers have been totally undermined and players made promises that haven't been kept.
 
Kid Chameleon said:
I think you'll find it was 97/98. 96/97 was defined by a huge injury crisis where we were actually playing players from the youth team. It was testament to Gerry Francis's defensive organisation that we finished 10th. Our top scorer was Sheringham with 8 goals and our best performers over the season were Stephen Carr, Sol Campbell and Andy Sinton.

Klinsmann made his return in 97/98 in a 1-1 draw with Woolwich right off the back of a 4-1 defeat at Villa Park. It was notable wins against Barnsley, Everton, Blackburn Rovers, Crystal Palace, Wimbledon, Bolton, West Ham and Newcastle that kept us up. We managed two draws against Woolwich in a season where they did the league and cup double and we lost 6-1 at home to Chelsea. It was also key that our managerial change happened in November rather than February.

My concern with this season is that none of the things that build momentum in a relegation scrap are happening. We haven't signed players to strengthen the squad, there is no marquee signing to lift morale, we're losing the matches we should be winning, we've been humiliated by our North London rivals and the only positive we have is a very late manager change with no time to make any significant impact on the team. It doesn't look good.
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You're right... it was 97/98... Gross took over from Francis mid season. But my point is the same. I felt like that was worse than this... come the end of March... this could be worse...
 
Richard Arlison said:
He doesn’t need to get us 4th in the form table over the next 12.

He just needs to make enough difference to keep us up.

You’ve answered my question though, thank you. You do think a manager change can make a difference.
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Of course it can. Why else would clubs change managers so often!

Occasionally it can also go horribly wrong.
Ask Mr Postecoglou.
 
It's going to be interesting to see what Glasner, Perreira and Santo do with their squads.

I think Glasner will forfeit the United match, resting players after their game on Thursday, in preparation for us.

I can see Santo thinking similarly against Liverpool, although he has less wriggle room to be sacrificing points.

Pereira can play a semi-strong side against Fenerbahce.

We just need to hope we get 2 or 3 players back in the next 2 or 3 weeks.

We should also get at least 1, if not 2 days extra rest over Forest as we are both due for return legs in the week preceding our clash on the 22nd.
 
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Auscock said:
There may be a silver lining if we do get relegated.
Imagine a side with all our young loanees playing together in the same team with some of the U21 squad!
Add a sprinkling of GOOD senior players and we'd be cooking with gas.
Also, get enough players for depth, so that there are 2 or 3 players for every position. That is what we are lacking now.

Bring in a manager on a four or five year contact who can install BELIEF into the players.
"Listen lads, we are going to finish in the top 2 and after that, it is up, up, up. All you need is belief".
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I don't think they are that good - the loanees I mean. The only two who I can imagine doing really well in the Champo are Moore and Vuskovic.

I'd keep Danso, Palhinha, Madders, Gallagher, kulu, Solanke, Bergvall and Gray.

Other than that we could jettison the whole squad, or at least as many as we can. We only want the play for the shirt players.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I don't think they are that good - the loanees I mean. The only two who I can imagine doing really well in the Champo are Moore and Vuskovic.

I'd keep Danso, Palhinha, Madders, Gallagher, kulu, Solanke, Bergvall and Gray.

Other than that we could jettison the whole squad, or at least as many as we can. We only want the play for the shirt players.
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But Ange said he only wanted players that wanted to play for Tottenham. Frank had a "no dickhead" policy. Somehow we've ended up with dickheads that don't want to play for Tottenham.
 
matspur said:
The bookies don’t either. Coral yesterday had us at 9/2 to go down. To be honest I think they are pretty generous odds considering how shit we have looked for the last 3months. Let’s hope they are right
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On probabilities it's still in our hands. 11 games, need to play those around us. We absolutely cannot lose to Forest, and must beat Wolves. Fail to do either of those and it's going to swing our way.
 
Auscock said:
There may be a silver lining if we do get relegated.
Imagine a side with all our young loanees playing together in the same team with some of the U21 squad!
Add a sprinkling of GOOD senior players and we'd be cooking with gas.
Also, get enough players for depth, so that there are 2 or 3 players for every position. That is what we are lacking now.

Bring in a manager on a four or five year contact who can install BELIEF into the players.
"Listen lads, we are going to finish in the top 2 and after that, it is up, up, up. All you need is belief".
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there's no silver lining or benefit to Tottenham getting relegated.
It would be disastrous
 
Auscock said:
I think that there is no way that we get relegated.
Look at the run-in of games our relegation compatriots have.
The new manager seems like a down to earth guy who speaks his mind and won't take histrionics from any of the players.
Sure, we got flogged in the NLD, but there were some periods of play which gave me reason to be hopeful.
Don't forget that Tudor had less than a week for preparation for that game. The next games will be better.
11 games to go.
2 wins and 3 draws will get us to 38 points.
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The first sentence is just a weird take.

The final games of a season it is not so much about how good are the opponents, its about dealing with pressure, forcing wins and keep the head up. Everything our squad lacks. The atmosphere will get more and more frightening and makes it even harder. The clubs around us and their players know what to do in a relegation fight. They are very much prepared. We are not.

If the players think the same that there is no way we get relegated, then it is a pretty much hopeless case I'd say.

Generally I am still somehow confident we stay up but to say there is no way we get relegated is so much off the mark. It is a real danger.
 
Even if the club avoid relegation, any decent player in the summer transfer window isn't going to think it's a good destination, it'll be players that the other clubs don't want.
 
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