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Management Relegation

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5 predictors done, we survive 4 of the 5 times. The one we didn't is were I had us winning only 2 more games, Leeds home and Everton home.

Man city win the league every time at least
 
WillWilliams said:
I’m going to spoiler this wall of text.

In short. I don’t think playing 3 at the back is what we need right now. It worries me if this all Tudor knows.


Just looked at Contes first season due to that “are the players shit thread” which was created that season.
And in hindsight most people would say these players are a bit shit…..( will mention them again soon)
Moura, Doherty, Reguilon, Sanchez and Hjobjerg.

And it all goes back to something I have said for years now. We got soooooo lucky with Kane.

We never would have been able to buy a striker like him. We never would have broken the bank to sign him.

Similar with Son. A gamble that paid off. After his first season most wanted him gone. Left as the 4th all time scorer for THFC.

Anyway I digress slightly.


Conte’s two seasons here. Kane and Son scored 40!! League goals between them each season.

Without them we were fucked. There was a huge drop in other players scoring goals after those 2.
Those 2 were the key. They made the system work


21/22. One other player got 5 league goals. Kulu.
We had 5 players joint 5th for goals with 2 each.
Moura, Doherty, Reguilon, Sanchez and Hjobjerg.

22/23 similar story. Just one other player on 5 goals. Bentacour
Joint 6th Players all with 2 goals. Dier, Royal, Kulu, Davies, Sessegnon.
Again mainly players our fanbase derided as shit.

Without big goals from our two main forwards contes system would not have worked.
Our goals from midfield and other attacking areas almost non existent. A bit like now.

The difference is we did have Kane and Son. Generational world class talents.

Who are the two key forwards we are banking on right now for the equivalent of a goal a game between them?

As an aside at Chelsea conte had Costa and Hazard -36 league goals between them- again levels above what we have right now. They also had plenty of other players on 5 goals + and Fabregas managed an assist early every 100mins on the pitch.
And they had probably the best pure screening midfielder the premier league has seen.

Us Simons arguably are most creative player available right now, an assist every 367 minutes.
And the journeyman Paulinha. Great.

We are in a shitshow. And I’m really not convinced playing 3 at the back is the answer. We will give up more chances. So we’re trusting our forwards to be clinical. I hope I’m wrong and this bloke knows exactly what he’s doing and the job he’s got.
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Think it's less about formations, more about effort personally.
 
To elaborate further on why I would rest players against Fulham - I think we had more of a chance against Palace and beating them is more impactful than beating Fulham.

Palace played last night and are away to United on Sunday - by the time our game with them comes round we won’t have left London for over 3 weeks - I think we have the ability to blow them away and look a lot sharper.

Beating them brings them back to within 3 points of us - I prefer our run in to theirs.

My worry is we go hell for leather against Fulham, lose and pick up injuries and suspensions for the Palace which subsequently stop us winning that one
 
Richard Splash said:
To elaborate further on why I would rest players against Fulham - I think we had more of a chance against Palace and beating them is more impactful than beating Fulham.

Palace played last night and are away to United on Sunday - by the time our game with them comes round we won’t have left London for over 3 weeks - I think we have the ability to blow them away and look a lot sharper.

Beating them brings them back to within 3 points of us - I prefer our run in to theirs.

My worry is we go hell for leather against Fulham, lose and pick up injuries and suspensions for the Palace which subsequently stop us winning that one
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I get your logic, but I profoundly disagree with it. It's inherently more risky to bet on something that is further away in time, simply because more can happen between now and then to change the equation, to change the inputs if you like. Likewise, in this scenario we have a diminishing number of opportunities to get points. It's tactically far better to try and get points in the next game. The only exception would be where the odds are so stacked against us that the very small probability of points is outweighed by the "resting players" benefit for the subsequent game. In our situation that could apply in the Liverpool game, though I think even then you'd give things a go at least in the first half. Forest were 1 minute from a point at Anfield.

Someone on here should work this out with some win/draw probabilities and some further assumptions. You'd have to, for example, make assumptions about future injuries and suspensions to run the scenarios.
 
Put some of the kids in.
Hunger is what they have. No fear either.
As for our so called stars. I said it before, against any team, hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.
 
Shadydan said:
Think it's less about formations, more about effort personally.
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That’s like something you’d hear at kids football.


It’s the premier league. Effort is a pre-requisite just to compete.

After that you’re playing at the peak league level of club football.
Formations and tactics and the ability to tweak that shit in game does actually make a difference.
 
Richard Splash said:
To elaborate further on why I would rest players against Fulham - I think we had more of a chance against Palace and beating them is more impactful than beating Fulham.

Palace played last night and are away to United on Sunday - by the time our game with them comes round we won’t have left London for over 3 weeks - I think we have the ability to blow them away and look a lot sharper.

Beating them brings them back to within 3 points of us - I prefer our run in to theirs.

My worry is we go hell for leather against Fulham, lose and pick up injuries and suspensions for the Palace which subsequently stop us winning that one
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You make sense but we can't do what you suggest we are woefully out of form and need just beat what's infront of us. We need to just get the team functioning.
 
WillWilliams said:
That’s like something you’d hear at kids football.


It’s the premier league. Effort is a pre-requisite just to compete.

After that you’re playing at the peak league level of club football.
Formations and tactics and the ability to tweak that shit in game does actually make a difference.
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Do you think we'd be doing any better if we played a back 4?

Do you think suddenly we'd start to create more chances and defend better using a different formation?
 
Richard Splash said:
To elaborate further on why I would rest players against Fulham - I think we had more of a chance against Palace and beating them is more impactful than beating Fulham.

Palace played last night and are away to United on Sunday - by the time our game with them comes round we won’t have left London for over 3 weeks - I think we have the ability to blow them away and look a lot sharper.

Beating them brings them back to within 3 points of us - I prefer our run in to theirs.

My worry is we go hell for leather against Fulham, lose and pick up injuries and suspensions for the Palace which subsequently stop us winning that one
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Whenever we have a rest we look even worse. Like there's no fitness in the group.
Think these lot need a lot of match fitness tbh

Gallagher looks gassed after 40 minutes
 
bonaspur23 said:
You inspired me to run a simulator.

City finish with 89 points, Woolwich 88.

We are 12th with 47 points.

West Ham go down.
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Make It So Patrick Stewart GIF
 
Kaz Hirai said:
Whenever we have a rest we look even worse. Like there's no fitness in the group.
Think these lot need a lot of match fitness tbh

Gallagher looks gassed after 40 minutes
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Very odd isn't it. Yet in the first 6 weeks in the season we were being lauded for our fitness. And Frank was big on running and looking at effort data etc etc I'd really like the inside story of what went on under Frank. It looks like a mutiny more than anything. Cunts downed tools and headed to Nandos to chill with Djed!
 
manmountainbutters said:
Very odd isn't it. Yet in the first 6 weeks in the season we were being lauded for our fitness. And Frank was big on running and looking at effort data etc etc I'd really like the inside story of what went on under Frank. It looks like a mutiny more than anything. Cunts downed tools and headed to Nandos to chill with Djed!
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It is a mutiny.

100%

I am not ashamed to admit I never want to see Vicario and Porro in a Spurs shirt again purely for their acts of treachery against the supporters.

In my head they are no longer Spurs.
 
Shadydan said:
Do you think we'd be doing any better if we played a back 4?

Do you think suddenly we'd start to create more chances and defend better using a different formation?
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I’m not a fan of 3 at the back.
It raises more questions than answers from a coaching point of view.

Personally I’d much rather have 2 CBs and then Paulinha and probably Gallagher sitting in front.

But luckily I’m not the manager so I can just watch this play out with absolutely no skin in the game and nothing to do but observe. Fro. Behind my couch.

If we pick up win after win fair play to Tudor. I hope to fuck we do.

At the same time I’m not going to be that surprised if we give up stupid opportunities to opponents as our defenders don’t really know what they are meant to be doing or where they are meant to be.
 
Possible Championship Line-up next season: [LINEUP]Kinsky
Spence Vuskovic Byfield Souza
Gray Bergwall
Devine LWB Moore
Melia
[/LINEUP]
That's basically the Youth team, I realise....
So hopefully the likes of Sarr, Danso, Solanke, Maddison COULD agree to stay .. but I won't hold my breath!

Anyway, it's ALL ACADEMIC.... 'cos
WE
ARE
STAYING
UP, say
WE ARE STAYING UP!
 
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