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Management Relegation

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django said:
Villa fan in peace here. We obviously had a longer period circling the drain before we were relegated and had a worse squad than you do but there are a lot of similarities in us being an established premier league side of similar side who went down. I thought I’d share a perspective on what happens when a club like ours is relegated.

Firstly the championship was a lot of fun. After years of shit football it was really enjoyable to win some games and compete for promotion.

Although we presumed we’d come straight back up it was much harder than that and we finished 13th, 4th and 5th before coming up through the play offs at the second go. It’s hard for the reasons your fans are aware of…fire sale of decent players, getting stuck with the overpaid once-hyped players whose wages stop them moving on…being your oppositions cup final for every league game.

If we hadn’t gone up when we did we’d have been in serious shit financially. We’d been run as a lower table side for a few years but had a couple of past it players on high wages (Lescott, Agbonlahor, Micah Richard’s) and we were stuck with 2 of these for the remainder of their contracts despite them not playing for us in the championship.

I’m no expert on Spurs finances, I know you’re in much better financial shape than we were when we went down. That can cut both ways though as I imagine you will have a far higher wage bill than we did. I’m not sure what the deal is with your stadium and if you’re still paying for that but just from the playing side you will be out in serious jeopardy.

I’ve got no real love or hate for spurs. But it’s shit watching your team lose all the time especially when you’ve been used to being better than that.

I watched the game last night and it looks pretty hopeless for you guys right now. If there’s any hope I can offer, it’s that for a few years before we actually went down I was convinced we would and then each time we pulled something unexpected out of the bag. Until we didn’t. Good luck.
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I thought the prevailing opinion was that villa weren’t going to even be fighting for promotion your first season in the championship.

Also I always did wonder what villa fans thought of Micah Richard’s redemption arc as a likable chap on tv after basically downing tools the season you got relegated.
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
Trouble is that the cunts in charge will use that money to ensure their financials remain the same instead of making the side over.

I fully expect that if we go down they will reason that the squad is still mostly PL players and thus already good enough, with some loan players and average replacements, to achieve immediate promotion.

Let’s be honest, these thieves made talk about changing this year and did nothing as a slow-motion car crash unfolded. They are just as likely to fail to earn promotion next year through cheapness and indifference. There is no evidence they have a clue what to do even if they desired to change
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IMHO a sale is the only way to ensure we get a hard reset of the club.

Counting on the existing ownership to navigate promotion is foolish.

I wouldn’t trust these bozos to navigate Morrisons successfully!
 
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So are we all agreed ...
Tudor out...
Redknapp in to keep us up...
Poch in the Summer if we do...
McKenna in the Summer if we don't!

All bases coveted.
3-pronged plan, I like it!
 
Rafa said:
I thought the prevailing opinion was that villa weren’t going to even be fighting for promotion your first season in the championship.

Also I always did wonder what villa fans thought of Micah Richard’s redemption arc as a likable chap on tv after basically downing tools the season you got relegated.
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Far from it mate. We basically went out and bought all the best players from other clubs in the Championship at the time (Jonathan Kodjia, Ross McCormack, Conor Houriane), plus experienced players like James Chester and Jedinak. With what we had spent in 16/17, the general feeling was promotion was a distinct possibility. Plus we had Grealish.

Being every other teams Cup Final and the losing mentality of the relegation season made it a lot harder than expected. There was a stage in the 16/17 season where we weren't that far off the bottom 3.

I dread to think how much Micah Richards was paid by the club. Stole a living and we couldn't shift him because of how much he was on and his constant injuries.
 
Tomo said:
For how terrible the injuries and performances there is still a lot of worth on paper for this squad. Club will take around £200m hit minus 50% wage reduction so about £100m I think we would need to find. Squad is around £400m so probably have to figure out who to let go to make up that number.

Vicario: £20m
Kinsky: £10m
Porro: £30m
Spence: £20m
Romero: £50m
VDV: £60m
Vuskovic: £90m
Udogie: £30m
Dragusin: £10m
Danso: £30m
Souza: £15m
Davies: NA
Gray: £60m
Bergvall: £60m
Bentancur:£10m
Sarr: £15m
Gallagher: £20m
Palhinha: NA
Bissouma: NA
Muani: NA
Solanke: £40m
Richy: NA
Tel: £20m
Moore: £30m
Odobert: £20m
Kudus: £30m
Maddison: £40m
Simons: £30m
Kulusevski: £40m
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Kulusevski £40m? Crocked maybe for life?

Some of the numbers are out I'm afraid.

The most interesting ones if we go down are:

CG
Simons
Solanke

As they are quite highly paid and worth quite a lot. but would be good to hang on to
 
Villan said:
Far from it mate. We basically went out and bought all the best players from other clubs in the Championship at the time (Jonathan Kodjia, Ross McCormack, Conor Houriane), plus experienced players like James Chester and Jedinak. With what we had spent in 16/17, the general feeling was promotion was a distinct possibility. Plus we had Grealish.

Being every other teams Cup Final and the losing mentality of the relegation season made it a lot harder than expected. There was a stage in the 16/17 season where we weren't that far off the bottom 3.

I dread to think how much Micah Richards was paid by the club. Stole a living and we couldn't shift him because of how much he was on and his constant injuries.
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Tbf to him. Daniel's relegation clauses (if true) are the work of genius (even if 50% isn't really enough of a cut)
 
Villan said:
Far from it mate. We basically went out and bought all the best players from other clubs in the Championship at the time (Jonathan Kodjia, Ross McCormack, Conor Houriane), plus experienced players like James Chester and Jedinak. With what we had spent in 16/17, the general feeling was promotion was a distinct possibility. Plus we had Grealish.

Being every other teams Cup Final and the losing mentality of the relegation season made it a lot harder than expected. There was a stage in the 16/17 season where we weren't that far off the bottom 3.

I dread to think how much Micah Richards was paid by the club. Stole a living and we couldn't shift him because of how much he was on and his constant injuries.
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I always did enjoy the Birmingham derby.

Just looked at your form on 14/15 and it gave me some hope.

Losing 7 games in a row and still turning it around winning 4 of your last eleven.

Maybe Sherwood is the answer :sherwoodlol:
 
Thoughtful said:
I don’t think people have grasped the fact that relegation clauses work two ways.

Yes players can agree to accept a pay reduction but some simply won’t sign if the club insists but even those that do agree often have a clause agreeing that the player will be sold if there is relegation and what the fee that they will be sold for is.
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CAN work both ways.

Truth is we don't know. So yes, it's possible these guys have exit clauses tied to relegation.
 
Harrier said:
IMHO a sale is the only way to ensure we get a hard rest of the club.

Counting on the existing ownership to navigate promotion is foolish.

I wouldn’t trust these bozos to navigate Morrisons successfully!
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If they wanted to protect their investment the time to do that was at this year.

The only explanations for not doing so would be indifference or incompetence.

Since they sacked Levy for his failure to build a quality product on the pitch (this is only a business to them and it’s not a club, it’s a product they sell), and they reportedly needed to force Vinaigrette’s hand to sack Frank, they are at least interested in quality insofar as it produces profits. The only explanation remaining is incompetence.

As is said across the Atlantic, you can’t fix stupid. This lot is stupid and it’s permanent
 
What will be will be , we have no say on what the future holds this season , it’s looking likely we go down however I think there are a few more twists In this yet , whatever happens it’s just a fucking game, there are more important things in life to stress about !
 
Fattynomates said:
What will be will be , we have no say on what the future holds this season , it’s looking likely we go down however I think there are a few more twists In this yet , whatever happens it’s just a fucking game, there are more important things in life to stress about !
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Indeed.
At least I’ve got a holiday in the Middle East to look forward to this summer.
 
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