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Herclueless said:
This isn't even a debate at this point is it?

It's us, the problem is us, anyone who can't see that is an idiot.
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It's obvious it's the club but people will always cope and put it back on the players.

There's only 2 players who have consistently improved since we have moved into that stadium and they happen to go by the name of Kane and Son since then literally every player has either stagnated or regressed, that's not a co-incidence.
 
Shadydan said:
It's obvious it's the club but people will always cope and put it back on the players.

There's only 2 players who have consistently improved since we have moved into that stadium and they happen to go by the name of Kane and Son since then literally every player has either stagnated or regressed, that's not a co-incidence.
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If you want to put the blame entirely on one person then that person is Levy.

He was good at a certain part of running a business, but his inadequacy in appointing the football people at the football club ultimately undermined the business related success.

There was a link posted somewhere I saw earlier today with Pleat saying how Levy got rid of him saying that "everything is data led these days, we don't need eyes and ears". Now firstly, how stupid, and secondly, the absolute gall of the man to say that to the guy who discovered numerous stars for us, and countless more that we didn't listen to him on.

Then the next level down you have the football people that he did hire, and over time gave more and more power to. A laundry list of mediocrity and uselessness, with the odd success stumbled upon via luck rather than judgment (Jol from the Santini debacle, Redknapp the emergency hire, Poch when we really wanted LVG).

In more recent years this failings became even more harmful, to the point that if you took all of the footballing people running the club combined, you couldn't muster one competent mind from the lot.

The players have eventually suffered from this, for whatever reason, lack of motivation due to the shambles around them, lack of fitness due to sub-standard coaches and medical team, loss of ability due to the poor coaching. They all look like they've been spacejammed, and no matter what you think of this individual or that, there's no way that ALL of these players are barely competent at football.

Come 1800 on the final day of the season, whatever division we find ourselves in, everyone behind the scenes (barring RDZ and his chosen staff) should be fired with immediate effect and start afresh in the summer, with the new people being given a budget and total control of footballing matters.
 
Herclueless said:
If you want to put the blame entirely on one person then that person is Levy.

He was good at a certain part of running a business, but his inadequacy in appointing the football people at the football club ultimately undermined the business related success.

There was a link posted somewhere I saw earlier today with Pleat saying how Levy got rid of him saying that "everything is data led these days, we don't need eyes and ears". Now firstly, how stupid, and secondly, the absolute gall of the man to say that to the guy who discovered numerous stars for us, and countless more that we didn't listen to him on.

Then the next level down you have the football people that he did hire, and over time gave more and more power to. A laundry list of mediocrity and uselessness, with the odd success stumbled upon via luck rather than judgment (Jol from the Santini debacle, Redknapp the emergency hire, Poch when we really wanted LVG).

In more recent years this failings became even more harmful, to the point that if you took all of the footballing people running the club combined, you couldn't muster one competent mind from the lot.

The players have eventually suffered from this, for whatever reason, lack of motivation due to the shambles around them, lack of fitness due to sub-standard coaches and medical team, loss of ability due to the poor coaching. They all look like they've been spacejammed, and no matter what you think of this individual or that, there's no way that ALL of these players are barely competent at football.

Come 1800 on the final day of the season, whatever division we find ourselves in, everyone behind the scenes (barring RDZ and his chosen staff) should be fired with immediate effect and start afresh in the summer, with the new people being given a budget and total control of footballing matters.
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He was a complete disaster since moving to the stadium, that much is clear.

Although since Levy has gone Vinai and Lange seem to be doing their best impression of him, their first 2 signings are Gallagher and potentially Robertson to stick them on high wages, really?

Going from one extreme to the other, I think now is the perfect time to reset our recruitment strategy regardless of where we are playing next season.
 
Shadydan said:
He was a complete disaster since moving to the stadium, that much is clear.

Although since Levy has gone Vinai and Lange seem to be doing their best impression of him, their first 2 signings are Gallagher and potentially Robertson to stick them on high wages, really?

Going from one extreme to the other, I think now is the perfect time to reset our recruitment strategy regardless of where we are playing next season.
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One of Levy's huge issues was not spending enough on wages.

When it comes to transfers the only thing a top team can do that's worse than not spending enough on wages, is spending massive wages on the wrong players.

That's the road we've started down in the past year and we need to be very careful about our transfer policy moving forward - we're a wealthy club but if you sign too many Gallaghers, Ndombeles and Xavis on 200k+ you can end up in very deep shit quite quickly.

We need to spend big but not in the fucking ramshackle way we have the past few years.
 
Timberwolf said:
One of Levy's huge issues was not spending enough on wages.

When it comes to transfers the only thing a top team can do that's worse than not spending enough on wages, is spending massive wages on the wrong players.

That's the road we've started down in the past year and we need to be very careful about our transfer policy moving forward - we're a wealthy club but if you sign too many Gallaghers, Ndombeles and Xavis you can end up in very deep shit quite quickly.
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We don't know what club we are trying to be, an absolute massive identity crisis.
 
Timberwolf said:
There's this newsletter/podcast called The Transfer Flow that's led by the guy who created StatsBomb and used to work for Brentford on the data side. Tone can be smug at times but he's a legit successful football stats guy who knows his shit and has made a ton of money off of it working for a range of clubs across Europe and from betting.

They've been saying for years that out recruitment is a joke and how we're desperately lacking in technicians and passing ability across the team. They shat on the Palhinha signing, the Gallagher signing - tbh the majority of our signings - and they keep being proven right again and again.

That article you link to seems to show the issue - Lange & co don't really understand squad building and have been so focused on signing the 90%+ physical guys at the expense of a squad that can play football. A lot of our players will probably go on to do well as cogs in a functional machine, but we've assembled a horrible dysfunctional squad with far too many athletes and not enough actual footballers.
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Thing is. There's nothing inherently wrong with Palinha or Gallagher.
Our issue, is that we have an entire squad full of them.
Winks looked like a footballer when he was surrounded by technicians.
Even Sissoko was half decent at times.
Imagine having an entire squad of them
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Herclueless said:
This isn't even a debate at this point is it?

It's us, the problem is us, anyone who can't see that is an idiot.
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I think it's the stadium, some of these players are intimidated, they see a huge world class stadium and they know it's the sort of venue that Real Madrid or other big successful clubs would suit. When Kane and Son were playing together, they suited the stadium and gave the other players a sense of belonging, as did Mourinho and Conte. There isn't anyone world class at Spurs now, Then on top of that opposition teams are like who the fuck do Spurs think they are, and want to take us down a peg or 2 because we have nobody deserving of such a stadium. We've made ourselves a tempting scalp, and a relatively easy one to take.

I reckon if players from other teams were asked which teams they'd prefer to play against away from home, our team would be high up on the list.

We're going to have the same problem if we end up in the Championship because those teams are even more wanting to take our scalp. It will be a nice victory for them to remember for the rest of the season.
 
McCOYS said:
I think it's the stadium, some of these players are intimidated, they see a huge world class stadium and they know it's the sort of venue that Real Madrid or other big successful clubs would suit. When Kane and Son were playing together, they suited the stadium and gave the other players a sense of belonging, as did Mourinho and Conte. There isn't anyone world class at Spurs now, Then on top of that opposition teams are like who the fuck do Spurs think they are, and want to take us down a peg or 2 because we have nobody deserving of such a stadium. We've made ourselves a tempting scalp, and a relatively easy one to take.

I reckon if players from other teams were asked which teams they'd prefer to play against away from home, our team would be high up on the list.

We're going to have the same problem if we end up in the Championship because those teams are even more wanting to take our scalp. It will be a nice victory for them to remember for the rest of the season.
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Meh, they're still shit away from home too.

Our away form was ok at the beginning of the season but there's not such a massive discrepancy to make you think there is something fundamentally wrong with the home performances vs away performances now.

One aspect in a similar vein though is the impact it has not on our players, but the opposition. Could it be they are raising their game due to the surroundings? Like the old proverbial "day out at Wembley" drawing that little bit extra out of the players. Which I now note you do actually allude to later on in the post.
 
Herclueless said:
Meh, they're still shit away from home too.

Our away form was ok at the beginning of the season but there's not such a massive discrepancy to make you think there is something fundamentally wrong with the home performances vs away performances now.

One aspect in a similar vein though is the impact it has not on our players, but the opposition. Could it be they are raising their game due to the surroundings? Like the old proverbial "day out at Wembley" drawing that little bit extra out of the players. Which I now note you do actually allude to later on in the post.
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I think that maybe if a team constantly gets pasted at home, eventually it effects the away form with the players losing confidence. Ironically if we'd have carried on just losing at home, we'd be OK for avoiding relegation, I mean if we repeated the points tally up until December, for the second part of the season.
 
Shadydan said:
We don't know what club we are trying to be, an absolute massive identity crisis.
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Or we do know but have the wrong people overseeing the transition, so it's your point, which one or two others have also made, and Timberwolf's point.

Gallagher and Simons are on big money, so if we do go down they either stay and help us cone back, or we likely take a hit, too many of which we can't afford.

The one plus is that we will recoup some money on players who will want/we will want to move on.
 
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