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Management Roberto De Zerbi

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Papafeels said:
That's a whataboutism. We did try to keep playing and we lost points. That's a fact.
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Yeah but by the same token we might have sat back and still dropped points.

We sit back. 9/10 we concede. Could this have been the 1 time we scraped over the line? Of course it could of been.

IF RDZ wants us to be brave as a team. Wants to instill an identity then we have to stick to it. Manage the game within that style. Within that philosophy.

I'd much rather us try to get a third than try not to concede a second.
 
Atomic knob said:
Can he identify the players we need and get ownership to sign them?
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We have to pray we bring in a decent Lange replacement that he can work well with. He's apparently a mad football obsessive and we've given him a lot of control but he's still gonna need a competent recruitment team and DoF to work with.

Like Conte, De Zerbi is a guy who will throw a strop and kick off if we're dicking him around behind the scenes. We need to get things right off the pitch for things to work with him, which is a concern. However I do think not having Levy will help, though - Levy could never cede control and it would be a ticking time bomb having those 2 at the same club.
 
I like his passion at the touch line, reminds me of the good side of Conte. I like his constant talking/instructing/hurrying his coaches as the bench, reminds me of the good side of Mourinho. I like his intention to trying to play attacking football, reminds me of the good side of Ange.

Please let us stay up. I really wanna see him given a good season of prep and coaching in the league. Please.
 
I really feel like we’d have stayed up had we brought him in when we got rid of Frank.

Actually I’ll got a step further and say if we’d have sacked Tudor earlier when most were calling for it and given him 2/3 extra games he might have saved us.

I don’t see us losing that Sunderland game if he has some extra time with the team.

Said it a million times but the management of this club could not have been worse. Every decision has been wrong.
 
Fattynomates said:
If we got him instead of Tudor we are no where near this scrap and would finish top half of the table , those running this club need shooting
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De Zerbi was never coming to us then though as he’d only left Marseille a couple of days before we hired Tudor. He wanted a break between jobs so I think we did well to talk him in to taking the job when he did rather than waiting until the summer.
 
Mandy said:
De Zerbi was never coming to us then though as he’d only left Marseille a couple of days before we hired Tudor. He wanted a break between jobs so I think we did well to talk him in to taking the job when he did rather than waiting until the summer.
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Reckon if we threw the bag at him then he may have been persuaded.
 
Shadydan said:
Reckon if we threw the bag at him then he may have been persuaded.
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We would have thrown the bag at him regardless at that point. I mean, I guess it's possible that we baulked at RDZ's demands and gambled that Tudor would see us to the summer where we'd then be in a better position to negotiate, but honestly we know the club tried to get De Zerbi in when Frank went. He's been our top target all along. I find it hard to believe the club decided to appoint Tudor when the opportunity to appoint De Zerbi was there if we just paid the money.

I find it much more probable that De Zerbi wanted to recharge after what was a very intense time at Marseille.

In fact, I think when De Zerbi told us he wasn't ready to take a new job on, we then appointed Tudor, but I think we were continously speaking to De Zerbi and trying to convince him to change his mind.

Sure, we may have increased our offer to him financially as we grew more desperate, but the deciding factor was clearly De Zerbi deciding he was ready to take the job, and nothing would have changed his mind until he was ready.

It may also have been that he was waiting for United knowing he was on the shortlist, but then got wind that they were sticking with Carrick and thought, well if I want a top PL job, the Spurs one is likely the only one on the table this summer so I may as well take it now.

I am trying to think of examples where top managers just leave a job midseason and immediately walk into another top job, I am sure there are examples but I can't think of any recently. Usually managers want time out and to wait until the summer.
 
Aphex said:
We would have thrown the bag at him regardless at that point. I mean, I guess it's possible that we baulked at RDZ's demands and gambled that Tudor would see us to the summer where we'd then be in a better position to negotiate, but honestly we know the club tried to get De Zerbi in when Frank went. He's been our top target all along. I find it hard to believe the club decided to appoint Tudor when the opportunity to appoint De Zerbi was there if we just paid the money.

I find it much more probable that De Zerbi wanted to recharge after what was a very intense time at Marseille.

In fact, I think when De Zerbi told us he wasn't ready to take a new job on, we then appointed Tudor, but I think we were continously speaking to De Zerbi and trying to convince him to change his mind.

Sure, we may have increased our offer to him financially as we grew more desperate, but the deciding factor was clearly De Zerbi deciding he was ready to take the job, and nothing would have changed his mind until he was ready.

It may also have been that he was waiting for United knowing he was on the shortlist, but then got wind that they were sticking with Carrick and thought, well if I want a top PL job, the Spurs one is likely the only one on the table this summer so I may as well take it now.

I am trying to think of examples where top managers just leave a job midseason and immediately walk into another top job, I am sure there are examples but I can't think of any recently. Usually managers want time out and to wait until the summer.
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Do you think it's beyond Vinai and Lange to make bad decisions? :D
 
Aphex said:
We would have thrown the bag at him regardless at that point. I mean, I guess it's possible that we baulked at RDZ's demands and gambled that Tudor would see us to the summer where we'd then be in a better position to negotiate, but honestly we know the club tried to get De Zerbi in when Frank went. He's been our top target all along. I find it hard to believe the club decided to appoint Tudor when the opportunity to appoint De Zerbi was there if we just paid the money.

I find it much more probable that De Zerbi wanted to recharge after what was a very intense time at Marseille.

In fact, I think when De Zerbi told us he wasn't ready to take a new job on, we then appointed Tudor, but I think we were continously speaking to De Zerbi and trying to convince him to change his mind.

Sure, we may have increased our offer to him financially as we grew more desperate, but the deciding factor was clearly De Zerbi deciding he was ready to take the job, and nothing would have changed his mind until he was ready.

It may also have been that he was waiting for United knowing he was on the shortlist, but then got wind that they were sticking with Carrick and thought, well if I want a top PL job, the Spurs one is likely the only one on the table this summer so I may as well take it now.
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I don’t agree. I find it much more plausible that the club didn’t take the prospect of relegation seriously enough and thought Tudor could guide us to safety before Poch came back in the summer.
 
Bill-bao Bob said:
Yeah but by the same token we might have sat back and still dropped points.

We sit back. 9/10 we concede. Could this have been the 1 time we scraped over the line? Of course it could of been.

IF RDZ wants us to be brave as a team. Wants to instill an identity then we have to stick to it. Manage the game within that style. Within that philosophy.

I'd much rather us try to get a third than try not to concede a second.
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Bringing on Palhinha absolutely doomed us. He cannot move.
 
Shadydan said:
Do you think it's beyond Vinai and Lange to make bad decisions? :D
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Haha no. It's just we know we tried to appoint De Zerbi before we turned to Tudor, the most plausible reason he didn't become our manager then was because he said no, not yet. No sane person walks away from RDZ and appoints Tudor. If they did do that, well that's as bad as hanging on to Frank for far too long, might even be worse.
 
Aphex said:
Haha no. It's just we know we tried to appoint De Zerbi before we turned to Tudor, the most plausible reason he didn't become our manager then was because he said no, not yet. No sane person walks away from RDZ and appoints Tudor. If they did do that, well that's as bad as hanging on to Frank for far too long, might even be worse.
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RDZ and Tudor were both Paratici recommendations so they probably did go from one to the other tbh.
 
Bill-bao Bob said:
Pfft. If Danso puts his boot through the ball, we prob win.

When will people realise we're no good at sitting back soaking up pressure. We never have been. It fails more time than it works.

We sit back and concede, everyone is up in arms that we sat back.

The more I think about it, the more positive I get about today's performance. We should have beaten in form, 5 out of 6, properly run Brighton and there's still loads to improve on.

Bring on Wolves! Let's fuck them up!
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Yup, the result was disappointing but the performance was a big improvement.
Danso looked nervous every time he had the ball at his feet and while he's an alright defender, even he doesn't trust his own passing.

The scouting of both he and Dragusin leaves a lot to be desired because in this day and age, any defender should be able to complete basic passes comfortably.

Anyone suggesting that we should sit back and shut up shop is bonkers because we've seen all season that we are incapable of doing that.
 
Charlie F said:
Making all 5 so early.
No need to take such a risk.
Spence didn't need to come on.

He made the same sort of mistake last week.
It's just daft. It's not like an injury in the last 20 minutes is so unlikely.
Simons called to c one off.
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I suppose there's a concern that a lot of our players have recently returned from injury, so maybe weren't capable of much more than an hour and we can't risk further injuries.
I didn't particularly want Spence in but it was only a week or so ago that Udogie was looking way off the pace, so I don't think he's fully fit yet.
 
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