Roy Keane On Spurs 'Softness'

[Igula]

Keane is a cunt, but he’s right. It’s why so many of us admired the fight we had during The Battle Of The Bridge. We’ve always been soft touches in my time of supporting us.

And if we had a Roy Keane snarling about in midfield, we wouldn’t have lazy fuck players jogging around the place and hiding from the ball like we do today.

Our Captain is good enough to inspire and make sure their are no lazy fuckers when France won the World Cup but now we are supposed to believe when he comes back here he isn't enough but a guy like Keane that won jack shit with weak talent around him would? Bull Shit.

Now maybe it because with France he is playing with noted hard workers and great attitude guys like Pgoba, Mbappe, Greizmann and Dembele or maybe it is because France is the best fucking team in the world and talent actually means something.

 

[Igula]

its a mixture of both. You can have all the best players in the world like you mention but they have to play with the correct attitude. It’s the reason PSG haven’t won the only thing their owners care about.

Sure

Although I am not sure that PSG didn't win last year because of attitude. They lost to a better side. If they had beat Bayern in the final do you really think that would have erased everything else that happened before that? That they would have magically changed?

That is the problem with looking solely at results and not what actually happens.

 

[TeamSpirit™]

Keane got relegated and happened to be at the most financially dominant clubs the 90s/00s

Threw away his chance in World Cup 2002

Was a shit manager.

 

[AberdeenYid]

Keane got relegated and happened to be at the most financially dominant clubs the 90s/00s

Threw away his chance in World Cup 2002

Was a shit manager.

He was that shit in the relegation season that ManU signed him for a record transfer fee.

But granted, he threw a tantrum in 2002 and wasn’t exactly a fine manager.

None of the above make him wrong in what he said.

 

[Igula]

Also City has repeatedly lost to weaker teams in the CL, so are they somehow soft in the CL but strong in the PL?

How does that work with this magically idea of softness?

 

[Notabadsquad]

This polarising debate keeps cropping up again and again. And it does for good reason in my opinion. There is something in the DNA (if you like) or in the aura of the club.

‘Lads it’s Tottenham’ - allegedly a half time team talk by Fergie when 0-3 down to us. We all know how that ended. Even in our pomp in the 60’s Shankly referred to Spurs as the Drury Lane tap danncers, while we failed to win at Anfield since the sinking of the Titanic.

Keane, I think in his autobiography, talked about certain players having ‘Tottenham tendencies’ - I took this to mean, easy on the eye, imbued with natural talent and skill but would wilt when it came to the crunch.

I understand how unpalatable, even crazy the DNA thing must sound to some people who rail against such a notion. However, it isn’t just about signing certain players but also about decisions that are taken by chairmen, owners and managers.

For years our club was known as a ‘cup team’. In the eighties in particular, this was great fun but it also signalled something to our players, any potential signing, opponents, fans and pundits alike - that we could turn it on at certain times but could never sustain it. A self fulfilling prophecy. The characteristic has since morphed when we began the painful trend of arriving in Semi Finals and Finals and losing.

To those who point out - with some justification- that the same brittleness could be ascribed to Newcastle or Leeds i would beg to differ and instead look to our geographical context. The success of Woolwich and Chelsea hurts. Woolwich in particular, are currently worse than us but are FA Cup holders and have the potential to win the Europa. Not only that but their supporters can still smugly point to all the league titles plus other trophies they won in the modern era. Those Spurs fans that blithely say, ‘I don’t care what our neighbours do or don’t do’ are kidding themselves. We watched our club try to catch up only to fall on our collective faces time and again. It hurts but until we change many things , including the mentality , at our club we will continue to be the butt of others jibes and jokes, inc Mr Keane’s.

This sir is a wonderful post. I salute you. Agree 100%.

 

[AberdeenYid]

Keane is a cunt, but he’s right. It’s why so many of us admired the fight we had during The Battle Of The Bridge. We’ve always been soft touches in my time of supporting us.

And if we had a Roy Keane snarling about in midfield, we wouldn’t have lazy fuck players jogging around the place and hiding from the ball like we do today.

Wonders to self if it’s worth clicking on the disagree on this post to see who it was.

Decides not to bother as he already knows.....

 

[Igula]

Wonders to self if it’s worth clicking on the disagree on this post to see who it was.

Decides not to bother as he already knows.....

Don't want to ever come out of the echo chamber you have built around you. Different views can be oh so scary.

 

[Igula]

You ask where's the evidence as though you have been asleep for years.

The number of occasions is like a list of pain from the 3-4 loss to City in the FA Cup when we were 3 up and playing 10 men through to United beating us 3-5 after being 3-up and more recently losing a 2 goal lead in the Europa.

We need to find a way not to collapse when all we need is the resolve to see it through and when we can short it can only be mentality.

Those are examples of games we lost not examples of us being soft. We can collapse for a number of different reasons so you have to show that we lost because we are soft, not just that we lost games.

And again what is the reason that players are soft here but not other places? It can't be some BS notion like "that is Spurs" that is what happens when you play for Spurs because that is BS.

Do you think if we swap sides with City that they would be winning titles and we would be in the same spot? Because that is what you are saying if you think it is a club thing. Do you honestly think that is you swapped out City players and Pep for our players and Managers from the past 5 years that we would have zero trophies and titles and they would have the same level of winning?

 

[MVP]

Hello to all, I've managed to get my hands on an internet PC for a few hours so have been catching up on all the news. I spotted this link and whilst I hate Roy Keane he does tell it as he sees it.

Listen To Roy Keane Talking About Spurs And Listen Well

Given that Roy Keane and I have both been watching Spurs play for the same number of years, all I can tell those that are struggling with his claim that Spurs have been soft for forty years, that he’s right – well – nearly right. We had something about us in the 1980s. Those were …

theboyhotspur.com

I loved the author's comments, particularly : As I’ve made the point before; professional sport only works one way. If that weren’t the case, golf courses would have no holes and racecourses wouldn’t have a finish line.

I fully understand Jamie's attempts to defend the club but he's clearly struggling against the harsh reality of titles and cup successes. So I'll ask the older members here, has this 'softness' gone on for 40 years ??

Great to be on the internet, I've been like a kid in a sweet shop .... take care all. Hopefully catch up with you all again soon.

Good to see you back Mr Voldemort.

 

[MVP]

I'd agree with this - off the top of my head why do the likes Villa, Everton, Newcastle not get accused of being soft & bottlers?

Leeds? Sheffield Wednesday? Probably missing a few more as well.

All of these teams had enjoyed success in the past and all have won f*ck all for decades. I'd say that most of those also have a similar size fanbase to us as well.

This excuse is always trotted out, that's why Levy and co keep getting away with shit.

 

[Kopspur]

And again...

Ignore

 

[NorseYid]

This polarising debate keeps cropping up again and again. And it does for good reason in my opinion. There is something in the DNA (if you like) or in the aura of the club.

‘Lads it’s Tottenham’ - allegedly a half time team talk by Fergie when 0-3 down to us. We all know how that ended. Even in our pomp in the 60’s Shankly referred to Spurs as the Drury Lane tap danncers, while we failed to win at Anfield since the sinking of the Titanic.

Keane, I think in his autobiography, talked about certain players having ‘Tottenham tendencies’ - I took this to mean, easy on the eye, imbued with natural talent and skill but would wilt when it came to the crunch.

I understand how unpalatable, even crazy the DNA thing must sound to some people who rail against such a notion. However, it isn’t just about signing certain players but also about decisions that are taken by chairmen, owners and managers.

For years our club was known as a ‘cup team’. In the eighties in particular, this was great fun but it also signalled something to our players, any potential signing, opponents, fans and pundits alike - that we could turn it on at certain times but could never sustain it. A self fulfilling prophecy. The characteristic has since morphed when we began the painful trend of arriving in Semi Finals and Finals and losing.

To those who point out - with some justification- that the same brittleness could be ascribed to Newcastle or Leeds i would beg to differ and instead look to our geographical context. The success of Woolwich and Chelsea hurts. Woolwich in particular, are currently worse than us but are FA Cup holders and have the potential to win the Europa. Not only that but their supporters can still smugly point to all the league titles plus other trophies they won in the modern era. Those Spurs fans that blithely say, ‘I don’t care what our neighbours do or don’t do’ are kidding themselves. We watched our club try to catch up only to fall on our collective faces time and again. It hurts but until we change many things , including the mentality , at our club we will continue to be the butt of others jibes and jokes, inc Mr Keane’s.

That's the worst point of all this.

Seeing us rise, consistently, make the performances. And then flatlining.

Anyone who say you are wrong can go on and explain how an "ambitious" club goes 18 months without signing players, all while stagnating.

Fuck knows what signal that sends.