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Supporters Rudiger claims he heard monkey chants
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I recall Guns n Roses used some quotes out of Cool Hand Luke in one of their songs (Civil War), when trying to have a debate with you, its all I can think of, so I'll leave it here.
Yet at no point has he said he may have misheard. All we read is tabloids saying that Rudiger said racism has won.
I don't actually think he lied, I think he thought he heard something that technology has proven since was probably something he misheard. He said it was a few idiots meaning more than one so it should have been easier to spot, there were also hundreds of people within closer earshot of where he claims it came from yet no fan spoke out during the game and no other player heard it. I'd be interested to see exactly where Rudiger was on the pitch when he made his claims as if he was central as opposed to the byline I think that would be telling.
If he had come out and said maybe he misheard, if he actually thought he did then I honestly would have no qualms with him. Instead he has pushed it all the way to saying that the people in the crowd were protecting them. Sorry but that's a dickhead move when most evidence suggests that there's a huge chance he either misheard or it didn't actually happen.
Do THFC come out of this squeaky clean? I think you'll find that answer is no. Innocent until proven guilty hey? It's nothing more than a load of legal jargon.
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It's not there is a failure to communicate, I understand you fine, I'm just sticking to my view.
The fans are entitled to boo a player who got a Spurs player sent off. Do you think Son will get booed when we play Everton next? Will that be seen as something to do with the actions that occurred mid game or because of what happened on the pitch with Gomes?
Personally I thought it was poor taste of the fans to boo him. It was an inflammatory thing to do and I'd rather have seen us take the high ground on that one but equally I understand why they did. I wouldn't have if I was there but that's just me mate.
You know, all those people who Rudiger did innocently-alledge-criminal-allegations towards
I think that is because he believes what he heard, I can't fault the guy for believing what he heard was real. I think he's angry too, people gloss over the fact that he has received racism in the past and only talk about the Roma allegation. I think he's fed up of racism and I don't blame him.
Right on brother! Jesus....christ
Sure but there is an assumption that everybody booed him for that reason, I don't know why. This forum is made up of wide political views and views about racism and how it should be dealt with it's very subjective. So I don't see how anyone can say without doubt that he was being booed for one reason only.
That's you speculating though. You say you think that's because he believes what he heard, you think he's angry too. You say you think he's fed up with racism that's all speculative based on what you think.
If others think he flat out lied you have to respect that, even if that's completely against what you think and the moral safety net of assumption for the greater good. As I have said I think it was a bad move booing him, with all things considered even if you suspect foul play on his part or that he misheard it's such a delicate subject that spans so much further than just a bloke accusing a group of blokes in a crowd at a football match that I'd have rather seen us leave it be. I don't blame the crowd for resorting to boos but I'd have much rather not heard it when watching it on my tele, I'd rather us have made a case for our morals by letting this one slide. Kill them with kindness they say right? The media deserved the silent treatment instead of something they could sink their teeth into like the cretins they are.
I feel for the innocent party in all of this, who that is I have no idea so personally I'd like to let this how situ slide now. I hope it's the last we hear of it unless of course someone is found guilty of what Rudiger claims. If that happens throw the book at them for being so disgusting to another human being but until then what more can be done?
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I think he was booed for that reason yes but how do you prove that? You can't stop people from booing him sadly, if you do you have to stop all booing of every person in at game, event or show you go and see.
It's a very delicate one and I don't like that it's happened, not just because it's THFC involved but because it's racism or claims of racism from one to another. I'd rather the crowd didn't boo him but unless moral high ground is taken, which is hard to believe will be the case because, after all it's football fans we are talking about here then you simply cannot stop it.
We booed Alonso the other day, Dele Ali gets booed by opposing team fans most games, it is what's it is in that aspect, even if I think it was done in poor judgement and taste regarding Rudiger the other day, I'd rather have seen us let it slide.
Of course anything away from the facts is speculation and I don't have to respect the view he lied but I can accept that people hold that opinion though.
You can't, anymore that it can be proved or disproved he was booed for racist reasons. We're both agreed anyway that it would have been better for him not to be booed.
That's not without doubt though, it's up to the individual whether they abide by that, some will and some wont.
So, the innocent until proven guilty is "not without doubt"???
WTF are you on about, really
Chelsea defender Antonio Rüdiger has called the decision to book him against Everton as “a joke”.
Rüdiger and Toffees midfielder Bernard were both shown a yellow card by referee Kevin Friend after clashing in the first-half of Sunday’s goalless draw.
The Germany international reacted angrily after the Brazilian raised his head, and is frustrated that he was punished.
“It’s annoying because I don’t even tackle someone, do something and I get booked for being head-butted,” he told the Evening Standard.
“Sorry but that’s a joke. Bernard was diving and I told him to ‘stand up’. Then he came with a lot of speed and hit me with his forehead.
“The referee didn’t see anything. Perhaps it’s the fourth official who was outside, maybe he said something to him that I provoked the player, but it’s a joke.”
The guy is just a bare faced liar with no sense of shame. He got ridiculed for the Bernard incident and realised he would probably get ridiculed again for the Son incident so fabricated hearing non existent racist chants to create a diversion. He's a highly unpleasant human being.
So if it cannot be proved that we did boo for racist reasons, why are people accusing us of doing so? I read a journalist say it was disgusting and shameful. Sounds like he's proved us guilty before even contemplating the alternative reasons to me. I'm obviously playing devils advocate here intentionally but it's only because this spans far wider for the greater good of society than just a football match. It's a really damned if you do, damned if you don't area that opens up all sorts of issues what aren't resolvable until humanity grows the fuck up. It never has, who's to say it ever will, we are a flawed species each and every one of us.
Still, it's done now and I think both of us, as you said regarding what we'd rather have seen happen with reference to the booing are on the same page so it's all good mate.
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If the Boos were racist then why aimed at him rather than Chelsea's other black players who as far as I am aware as I was not there were not booed.
Crowd boos Rudiger there is no evidence to show that it was done for racist reasons, the only facts are they booed and he's black, no one knows for sure what is in someone's head therefore there is doubt.