Probably because many fans believe Tottenham Hotspur should be setting their standards far higher than merely avoiding a relegation battle or bumbling around in the bottom eight.
Mate.
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Management Should Ange stay or go ?
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Mate.
Offer him 10m with bonuses. 5 year contract. I don't care how good Ange does, if Alonso is available.. splash the cash.
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I keep thinking of this song when I see this thread. Should Ange stay or should he go..
The bold italics melt talking more utter shite.
Just a figure of speech. I always find it odd to refer to clubs as 'we'. I neither play nor work for the club, I'm just a fan. If they win a trophy - its theirs, not mine.
The big question that clearly needs its own thread and poll is
If Ange stays who do you wish would have got the job if he had gone
If Ange stays who do you wish would have got the job if he had gone
Zinedine Zidane. His presence alone would lift the club and players. This club needs a lift IMO, it’s all a bit dreary right now.
Could never happen though.
We could break him I’m sure, TBF my question was meant to be a silly dig at the amount of Ange threads
Super post. Objective and simply saying it as it is.
I think the next 3 PL games will tell us if it's going to be stick or twist and I think City will be a less.
Disagree with this entirely. We are still playing with inverted full backs. I thought we had moved away from that after a couple of second half performances against West Ham and Villa where Porro and Udogie played as wing backs . Which is what they are, neither is effective as conventional or inverted full backs. Playing them wide plays to their strengths and enables Johnson and Son to play more inside instead of being stuck out on the wing where neither is effective. But no. Stubbornly back to his “ system “ clogging up the central attacking areas and also reducing the effectiveness of Kulu and Maddison ( for the 5 minutes he was given to change the game ) If Conte had a whole season to work with Porro and Udogie instead of Emerson and Sessegnon and VDV instead of Dier or Sanchez his results would have been a whole lot better.
Meanwhile Ange stands there shaking his head and doing nothing.
For those who disagree with this maybe explain why ?
I did not say he had dispensed with his system but that we were no longer conceding from the ball over the top and the opposition running through to score. The goals we are conceding now are set pieces or when the defence including Full backs are back. Porro was there when we conceded the first goal last Sunday. It was poor defending and not the system that was responsible for that.
You are talking about the defects when attacking. I to still have reservations about Ange & his system but I strongly feel keep chopping and changing Managers and their systems is not working either. Get a new Manager that wants to play entirely differently and some of the players do not fit and we start another rebuild. One of our most successful Managers Keith Burkinshaw oversaw us being relegated in his first season. He only got us promotion by the skin of our teeth the next season and it was several years before he was successful. I know things have changed but until it looks like he has lost the dressing room then I will support him.
A selection of writers for Football london on the subject.
Matty Hewitt
Though Tottenham's start to the season has been indifferent, Daniel Levy should give Ange Postecoglou more time at the helm. The wins over Manchester United and Aston Villa were an example of Spurs at their best, while defeats against Palace and Ipswich were them at their very worst.The Australian boss has a unique style of play but one that delivered Spurs European football last season and he should be given an opportunity to continue to implement those ideas. Comments last season about changing the mentality of the club were telling and sacking him at the first sign of frustration would be more revealing.
Postecoglou has won trophies wherever he's gone and there's no reason he can't do that at Spurs. Of course, they'll need a little luck along the way and injuries haven't been kind in recent weeks.
Sacking him would lead to another period of overhaul and rebuilding and Spurs are nowhere near breaking point - unlike Manchester United and Erik ten Hag who were void of ideas. Spurs may be just a point clear of the Reds, but they're also just three points off the Champions League places.
Levy must give the head coach time.
Josh Holland
Tottenham are such a difficult team to get your head around for so many reasons. After battering Aston Villa and beating Manchester City, it looked as though Postecoglou had found the perfect rhythm.However, defeats to Crystal Palace and Ipswich, subsequently handing both teams their first wins of the season, has left Spurs lurking in mid-table with frustrations among supporters.
But no, Postecoglou shouldn't be sacked yet. Big picture, the Australian has done incredibly well and his identity is clear. Whether or not it's the right one to implement, only he knows. But there are many managers who lose their jobs over the failure to create an identity within their team, Erik ten Hag being the most recent at Manchester United.
Postecoglou has enough credit in the bank to continue. It's down to him to turn Spurs' season around over the hectic festive period. Should they be nowhere near the top four by the end of January, Daniel Levy will have a decision to make.
Amie Wilson
The short answer is no. To expand on that, I understand why some fans may be frustrated with the inconsistency on show so far this season.Following a 4-1 win over Aston Villa with a loss against winless Ipswich is bound to frustrate supporters, but the bigger picture needs to be looked at. Overall, since his arrival at the start of last season, Postecoglou has had a positive impact at Spurs.
While they are in 10th place, ultimately, the congestion towards the top of the table means that Spurs are still only three points off the top four positions. While the result and performance against Ipswich was disappointing, it’s no good making a knee-jerk reaction from that.
If Tottenham find themselves mid-table heading into the new year, and still churning out inconsistent performances, then I think it can be looked at again. But, for now, Postecoglou has enough credit in the bank to be given a chance to turn things around.
Jake Stokes
Absolutely not. While I can understand why some supporters may be frustrated with recent results or begin to question Postecoglou, there's not a better manager on the market to lead Tottenham forward.Would Zinedine Zidane or Xavi take the Spurs job? No. Would fans be happy with a different more conservative play style under either Massimiliano Allegri or David Moyes? No, of course not. What about Edin Terzić or Graham Potter? Possibly, but then you're going back to square one.
Ultimately, it was no secret that the former Celtic boss was brought in to spearhead a project, so he should be given ample time to do so. Postecoglou got off to an excellent start, and now as soon as he's had his first hiccup there are question marks over his future?
The 59-year-old has more than enough credit in the bank to transform Spurs' fortunes. It's hardly as if Tottenham have been that bad either! They have an identity on the pitch, and the foundations for a successful future have been laid.
I'd like to see Postecoglou continue to be backed in the upcoming transfer windows. The north Londoners have forked out hundreds of millions to help build his perfect starting line-up, yet the general squad depth still needs improving.
James Quinlan
Sacking Postecoglou now would be jumping the gun, and then some.Take Manchester United and Erik ten Hag as comparison. He had over two years at Old Trafford and in that time failed to implement a style of play and failed to bring back the feel-good factor any club hoping to get back on top desperately needs.
Postecogou has done both of those in little over a year at Tottenham and needs time to see his project through. Where the club sit in the Premier League and Europa League tables right now is not down to anything poor they are doing, it is just indicative of how competitive the competitions are. Everything will even out and Spurs will be locked in a clearer fight for the top four in just a few months' time.
I think it was certainly overconfidence from the 59-year-old to say that he was going to win silverware this term, and that certainly hasn't helped the situation, but he deserves the backing to take this relatively young team forward into a new era.
Jack Flintham
Now Erik ten Hag has been relieved of his duties at Manchester United, it is only natural to be looking at managers who find themselves in similar positions and wondering if they are next in line for the boot. Postecoglou is one of those in a difficult position at present especially following the defeat to Ipswich.However, where he differs from Ten Hag is that you can see a pattern of play and philosophy which Postecoglou is trying to implement at Spurs. Let's be frank, the Australian is not the only person to struggle to make meaningful progress at Tottenham in terms of winning trophies.
But at least you can see what he is trying to do. Results matter and 10th is nowhere near good enough but they are only three points behind Woolwich who occupy the final Champions League spot at present.
That's certainly not insurmountable and as such, I don't think Postecoglou should be sacked.
The only thing is, we actually don't know if they would or won't be great without time.
I couldn't stand our time with AVB but both Walker and Bale loved him among others.
2 of our best, went on to be the worlds best after AVB's tutelage and sacking. Players we loved like VDV went on to do nothing.
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Rafa became a professional darts player.
Not very nice saying that’s “nothing”.
Are you a professional darts player?? After being a professional football player?? I doubt it very much.
I am totally with you, the constant chopping and changing of managers is not for me.
I am firmly in the camp of holding our nerve, continuing to improve the squad, and seeing how the next few months plays out.
We wanted a rebuild and a younger squad which would be the start of a new cycle. So I’m not going to shit the bed when we get a bump in the road. The Ipswich game was a poor one but the West Ham and Villa games are very much in recent memory. It’s not as bad as some on here would have you believe.
No but I loved VDV and hated AVB because he got rid of him
Yeah but VDV was almost 30 and he wanted to make Bale the central figure in his attacking plans.
Just an age / fitness thing. Rafa had a few recurring injuries as I remember it. Hamstring??
Think he was right time right place with his two seasons in a Spurs shirt. Really inspirational big game player.
Bale had already had lift off under Redknapp. Walker to some degree too.
I don't think players are the brightest tbh. And Bale wanted out after 1 season of AVB, so maybe it was actually him that pushed him out?
Van Der Vaart apparently left because his hot wife went back to Germany. And then they split up.
I'm going to judge every manager first and most by their league finishes and by their record, and there is no evidence Ange is better than José, Conte, Nuno etc at this point.
Yeah of course the point I was making is that I wanted VDV to stay and didn't like AVB.
But other players like Bale and Walker went on to do great things and loved AVB.
I'm looking at it like I judged it wrong