It would be canned because he'd have won fuck all. Or won something in a Mickey mouse league. Would be portrayed as taking the cheap option again (which would be true tbh) and every negative result would be seen as it is right now. That the manager isn't ready for top level football etc. spurs are an established club who need an established manager.
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Agreed. Eze is just the latest in an admittedly extremely long line of players who a large number of fans will continue to scream about us not getting for the next few years, or until he hits such a bad run of form that he is seen as shite. See Bruno fernandes. Years we had to hear about him.
We are heading for a sixteen game losing season, having played the likes of Leicester, Everton, Brentford, Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham, Woolwich, United and Palace. All but Brighton and Woolwich could be considered well above average teams with good squads.
We have yet to play Scouse, City, Chelsea and Villa home and away.
The future is looking bleak to be fair.
I watched Ange's post match interviews on our own website and the three main media outlets, and today's one like all the other interviews when we lose appear to be in his opinion the result of indiscipline, poor defending, lack of application (Brighton game) or all three.
This is his team now, not saying the rebuilding is finished but as a whole it's his team.
Early exit from the EL, or FA Cup and missing out on Europe next season and I can't see how Levy can possibly think that giving Ange another one hundred odd million next Summer is going to be a game changer.
Kulu didn't leave a substantial mark on the game today (other than posing a risk of a 2nd yellow); but the suggestion that Eze would be likely replicate the kind of presence that Kulu has so far this season is ludicrous.
Even if I don't agree with your general perception of Kulu; all the things you accuse him of can easily be directed at Eze...... Inconsistent, poor out of possession, doesn't get on the score-sheet enough; yadda yadda.
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The playing out from the back was poor due to individual performances. Romero, VDV, Porro all seemed to be knackered and lacking in effort. None of them seemed to want the ball.
The subs were effective. We created 3 very good chances, with a poor touch from Richarlison stopping what should have been a nailed on goal; and 2 excellent crosses from Werner that bizarrely we had nobody on the back post to knock in.
At the end of the day, this one can only be chalked up as a poor team performance. The players were rattled by the physicality of Palace and looked to be hiding from the ball.
Palace did an excellent job of stopping us playing. I do not think the ball was actually in play for longer than 90 seconds the entire game. They didn't let us build any momentum and, players lying down with cramp at the 60 minute mark should have been punished by the ref as time wasting.
Doesn't get on the scoresheet enough? In 700 minutes less than Kulusevski last season he scored 3 more goals, the season before he played 500m more but scored 8 more.
That's my point, you could accuse him of some of those things, but you'd still get more of the good stuff. And the last three years he's been playing for a team that largely struggles and didn't see much of the ball in games.
Starting to feel like we might as well fuck the league off this season tbh, 1st-3rd is a complete lock (stupid to think otherwise at this point), and it's hard to see Villa or Chelsea going to Palace and handing them their first win at the ninth time of asking. Honestly, will anyone even really fucking care if we get 4th? We have all seen on multiple occasions now that it is only a springboard to further success if you have an actual long term plan for success, and if you actually adjust your wage structure and transfer budgets to bring in the sort of players who supposedly only want to play for Champions League teams.
There's absolutely no reason, with the resources and squad we have, and the teams we are competing with, that we cannot win the Europa League. Once it's knockouts and 2-legged games start the impact of these "blip" results we seem to be consistently having this season are drastically reduced, as there's always the 2nd leg to make amends. There's not a single team I look at in that league stage and think "if we drew them in a knockout we're fucked". The problem with the domestic cups is how psychologically fucked we are against the bigger teams in the league, we can go as far as we want but if we come up against City, Woolwich, Chavs or Liverpool (especially away), we're going out. Not to mention we can qualify for the CL through the EL anyway so realistically the prize money doesn't really matter, I really, really don't want to see us fielding weakened sides in the knockout stages (assuming we get there which I really think we will) because of "that tough trip to Forest on the weekend". Who fucking cares? We aren't winning the league, we have a better chance in the EL than the domestic cups, I'd just start fielding the weakened teams to prepare for the EL games tbh, fuck the league. 2nd rate competition or not if we won it I'd be over the moon.
More to the point, we've lost to Newcastle and Brighton away, neither of which are terrible results in and of themselves, but both had serious injury issues in those respective games and we failed to capitalise on either situation. Leicester are reliant on the ghost of Jamie Vardy and were without a replacement for Dewsbury-Hall when we played them, yet we let them have a point on the opening day. We are the only team in last season's top 8 (other than Chelsea who had to play City in Maresca's first game in charge) that failed to win their opening game. There have been precious few encouraging signs of picking up unexpected points against top 8 sides under Ange, Villa away last season being really the only outlier (I'm not counting United this season, Ten Hag is a dead man walking), Poch was able to afford the odd glaring result against bottom half sides (because he did have a fair few like this game today) because he was making up the points at home against everyone. We are probably on for 6th if we improve consistency in the league, but again who really gives a monkeys if it's 6th or 8th, wouldn't it make it a much easier pill to swallow with a trophy to stick in the cabinet after sixteen fucking years?
There's absolutely no reason, with the resources and squad we have, and the teams we are competing with, that we cannot win the Europa League. Once it's knockouts and 2-legged games start the impact of these "blip" results we seem to be consistently having this season are drastically reduced, as there's always the 2nd leg to make amends. There's not a single team I look at in that league stage and think "if we drew them in a knockout we're fucked". The problem with the domestic cups is how psychologically fucked we are against the bigger teams in the league, we can go as far as we want but if we come up against City, Woolwich, Chavs or Liverpool (especially away), we're going out. Not to mention we can qualify for the CL through the EL anyway so realistically the prize money doesn't really matter, I really, really don't want to see us fielding weakened sides in the knockout stages (assuming we get there which I really think we will) because of "that tough trip to Forest on the weekend". Who fucking cares? We aren't winning the league, we have a better chance in the EL than the domestic cups, I'd just start fielding the weakened teams to prepare for the EL games tbh, fuck the league. 2nd rate competition or not if we won it I'd be over the moon.
More to the point, we've lost to Newcastle and Brighton away, neither of which are terrible results in and of themselves, but both had serious injury issues in those respective games and we failed to capitalise on either situation. Leicester are reliant on the ghost of Jamie Vardy and were without a replacement for Dewsbury-Hall when we played them, yet we let them have a point on the opening day. We are the only team in last season's top 8 (other than Chelsea who had to play City in Maresca's first game in charge) that failed to win their opening game. There have been precious few encouraging signs of picking up unexpected points against top 8 sides under Ange, Villa away last season being really the only outlier (I'm not counting United this season, Ten Hag is a dead man walking), Poch was able to afford the odd glaring result against bottom half sides (because he did have a fair few like this game today) because he was making up the points at home against everyone. We are probably on for 6th if we improve consistency in the league, but again who really gives a monkeys if it's 6th or 8th, wouldn't it make it a much easier pill to swallow with a trophy to stick in the cabinet after sixteen fucking years?
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That's not THE point though; the argument FOR Kulu has never been that he's a prolific goal scorer in the first place. Nor has the justification for his good start to the season been based on goals scored.
Not week in week out, you wouldn't... Not that most of the aforementioned accusations against Kulu are fair/accurate anyway. Selectively or otherwise in Deki's case; you're blind to the stuff that doesn't appear on graphs. You've only managed to concede once all season that he's played well in a game.... That's just bogus, Blakey.
You probably reckon there's still no one out there that could improve us
That is the point though. Over the last two years, over roughly the same minutes Eze has been more productive. Especially if you factor in that he’s been playing in a largely struggling and inferior side.
As I said, he may not be a perfect fit for the system either, but I would still take him over Kulusevski for that reason. If you are going to suffer similar downside, at least the upside pays off a bit more.
Just caught the game on replay.
I knew this was a loss with the triple sub at 62’.
How can you be trailing in a match and think you need to bring on the we-never-score brothers of Werner and Richarlison?
And the mere fact that our No 10 is being subbed and it’s often an improvement -
What is this team’s identity?
Who is the team’s heart and soul, who’s the one that can will the team to victory or drag it over the line refusing to lose?
Where is the heart and who are it’s leaders, its conscience?
I don’t see the heart or the character and that’s on the manager.
I knew this was a loss with the triple sub at 62’.
How can you be trailing in a match and think you need to bring on the we-never-score brothers of Werner and Richarlison?
And the mere fact that our No 10 is being subbed and it’s often an improvement -
What is this team’s identity?
Who is the team’s heart and soul, who’s the one that can will the team to victory or drag it over the line refusing to lose?
Where is the heart and who are it’s leaders, its conscience?
I don’t see the heart or the character and that’s on the manager.
Our tickets yesterday were in row 48 ( last row ) up by the corner flag. Worst view I’ve ever had in a football ground, if you didn’t kneel down you could only see 2/3rds of the pitch. We moved at HT to a much better spot but sadly the performance didn’t show the same improvement.
The booing and vitriol directed towards our players at the end by our fans was (imo ) absolutely pathetic. Grow up. COYS.
The booing and vitriol directed towards our players at the end by our fans was (imo ) absolutely pathetic. Grow up. COYS.
Bench was : Bergvall (has a knock), Sarr, Werner, Dragusin, Forster, Richy, Davis, Grey.
Kulu's on a yellow and the ref has told him 1 more synical foul and your off. Madders & Moore are knackered. Which subs would you have used chasing a goal?
Was Maddison knackered? Rest of the bench is limited attacking wise!
Soon as we play gala, lazio etc we will fold based on our performances so far. Certainly if we make wholesale changes.
He didn’t look knackered. He was still seeing enough of the ball plus he probably covered more than kulu who doesn’t come deep. What he should have done is taken off kulu and put Sarr or bent on and told MADDs to move up the pitch and not come back.
Ange must have know this was going to be a physical battle they are fighting for results YET he plays both Maddison & Kulu and to add to that a lad (moore) Has he not got any idea about the EPL yet ?
we all know you have to win the right to play, how were we going to do that with all those players
we all know you have to win the right to play, how were we going to do that with all those players
So Ange has worn you down so bad that you think we should sack the league off and focus on a cup which we won’t win because we are managed by Ange and he’s not good enough hence why you think we should sack off the league? Jesus wept. Just call a spade a spade, sack Ange the useless fraud and let’s get on with improving and aiming for CL again.
And I also think Bentacur’s passing is missed when he doesn’t play. I would have started him, possibly next to Biss
I dont understand when keeping a manager because you're still in a cup became a thing. AVB was still in the Europa and was sacked 3 days before a league cup quarter final. Poch was still in the champions league, Nuno was still in the league cup and conference league. Jol was still in the Europa and league cup. Hoddle, Santini, Ramos were all sacked so early they were still in all the cups. Surely if the general results are medioce or poor you get someone in that has the best chance of winning that cup not plough on stubbornly until the season is done.