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Management So (hypothetically) who replaces Ange then?
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No idea with the love in for Silva TBH. Maybe he's one of the best looking one of the lot? His clubs are always at the bottom of the table and when occasionally he got some wins over the bigger teams and/or moving up to top half of the table, he got people excited. Have no distinctive playing style either. Rather Thomas Frank than him if only left with these two options.
I didn't quite get this: "On Silva are people just happy to ignore he left Everton in 18th place having manoeuvred his way to a sacking so he could take the job at Everton in the first place."
He got himself fired at Everton so he could take the job at Everton?
He got himself fired at Watford
If I recally correctly Silva was considered a questionable appointment when he first took the job with Fulham despite them being in the Championship at the time.His stock was that low back then, due to the fact that his previous few tenures with English teams (Hull,Watford,Everton) ranged from mediocre to poor. It's plausible that Fulham was his last chance before he inevitably had to move to another country for an opportunity.
Of course managers improve over time just like players do, and he might not even be primarily at fault for (any of) those sackings in the first place. But if concerns about someone like Frank finding his comfort zone at where he currently is are valid, then they should also apply to someone like Silva.
Of course managers improve over time just like players do, and he might not even be primarily at fault for (any of) those sackings in the first place. But if concerns about someone like Frank finding his comfort zone at where he currently is are valid, then they should also apply to someone like Silva.
That’s not accurate that Silva’s tenures were mediocre to poor. He did well at both Hull and Watford and only really failed at Everton. It was more the snakish way he left both Hull and Watford that damaged his reputation.
He’s obviously a good coach, but he’s very much from the Portuguese Jose coaching tree, that just doesn’t fit in with what most Spurs fans want to watch. Most of them are just too pragmatic. I think we all want a slightly more balanced approach than Ange, but we want to be entertained and be on the front foot rather than waiting on an opponent’s mistakes.
I don't know why any spurs fan would want silva really, be a massively underwhelming and dead choice. Fulham don't play any kind of good identifiable football, and overall they haven't pulled up any trees in the league or cups since he's been there
Again, that’s harsh. He’s turned them from a club that was yo-yo’ing from PL to Championship into a solid, well-drilled PL outfit on a pretty modest budget. He lost his most influential players in Mitrovic abd Paulinha jn consecutive summers and still has them top half.
More to the point, what has he really achieved to get a shot at the next level?
Fulham are mid table amongst pack of mid table teams who range in mid table and occasionally take points off bigger teams. What sets him or Iraola apart?
I think I'm leaning more towards Thomas Frank now. I'm not expert on either but from what I do see, while I think Iraola is doing a great job within his budget and has got some cracking results, he has similar traits to to Ange. Everything is about high intensity regardless of fixture or situation (it's who we are mate).
I want a manager who isn't afraid to prioritise defensive solidity and grind out results in challenging away fixtures. Someone who knows the best way to get a result away to the "big 4" is to play on the counter but will have a go at anyone when we are at home. I want someone who isn't afraid to go away in Europe (not that we will be in europe) and bore the tears of the home fans. I think Frank fits that bill.
I want a manager who isn't afraid to prioritise defensive solidity and grind out results in challenging away fixtures. Someone who knows the best way to get a result away to the "big 4" is to play on the counter but will have a go at anyone when we are at home. I want someone who isn't afraid to go away in Europe (not that we will be in europe) and bore the tears of the home fans. I think Frank fits that bill.
Did he? Not sure about Hull, but he got sacked by Watford due to a terrible downturn in their form after he allegedly got his head turned by Everton.
7-5-12 in the league, and 8-5-13 in all competitions. Yeah I know, it's only Watford. I still wouldn't call this "doing well" though.
Is that enough to give us some evidence that he can turn Spurs into regular winners of major trophies?
I get what your saying with Frank. He is incredibly adoptable and tends to regularly get results against the big teams because of their 3-5-2 approach and disciplined low block.
The problem for Frank is he'll need to show a whole other side of his game at a team like Spurs. We are expected to be on the front foot and scoring goals against lower side teams and this is the part where he could quickly become underwhelming. At a team like Brentford nothing gets said when they lose at home and don't score , but that is unacceptable here!
Brentford have a great away record in the league and have proven they can beat all the big teams but lets take a look at their last 7 home results.
Brentford 0-1 Aston Villa
Brentford 1-1 Everton
Brentford 0-2 Tottenham
Brentford 0-2 Liverpool
Brentford 2-2 Man City
Brentford 0-1 Plymouth (FA Cup)
Brentford 0-2 Nottingham Forrest
Brentford have not won any of their last 7 home games and in 5 of those games they could not even score a goal! This would be totally unacceptable at Tottenham, but at Brentford there is no noise about it and Frank probably got loads of credit within the media for the 2-2 draw against city while little was said when they got knocked out at home to Plymouth in the cup. Different ball game here!
I personally feel like he'll be another Nuno who will set us up to be hard to beat but that isn't enough here.
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so would a david moyes, sam allydayce, potter, pulis etc. i include Frank in this. Pretty dull uninspired stuff.
The thing with poch is that he turned around a newly promoted Southampton within 12 months and had them finishing 8th with a very distinctive style of attacking high press football all while nurturing young players. It was impressive
the likes of frank and silva are just...doing ok
Great post mate and didn't realise their home record was so bad of late.
Of all the red flags you pointed out, here is the one that stuck out though
Frank 100% isn't my ideal candidate but out the ones we are being linked with, I'm just leaning towards him slightly over Iraola and Silva. I think all 3 are underwhelming though.
All 3 have their own red flags tbf. For me Iraola is the safest bet as he just feels like a Tottenham manager and will play the way we traditionally do. To me Iraola just feels like a more tactical and adoptable version of Ange so it'll be a smooth transition. Silva has far too many red flags and Frank would be a big style change.Great post mate and didn't realise their home record was so bad of late.
Of all the red flags you pointed out, here is the one that stuck out though
Frank 100% isn't my ideal candidate but out the ones we are being linked with, I'm just leaning towards him slightly over Iraola and Silva. I think all 3 are underwhelming though.
I am coming around to the idea of Mckenna. No doubt it won't go down well with majority of supporters as it'll feel like the Levy cheap option again. But Mckenna seems to have a bit of everything. All he lacks is experience but I'd be happy to take a chance on him personally.
Style makes a difference for sure, but we’ve seen how brutal the PL can be this season. To discount the work these managers are doing just because they don’t look to dominate the ball is blinkered IMO. Obviously Nuno’s doing amazing at Forest. I still don’t like his football, but I can’t dispute the work he’s been doing.
That’s why finding Ange’s replacement will be difficult. I suspect Levy is gonna swing to wanting PL experience over everything else. It’s just what he does when he’s been burned by one kind of manager.
Ange was an extreme example of style over results. He's the polar opposite to coaches like Moyes who have no distinct style of play but can get results without playing well. I think a happy medium in Mckenna or Iraola is the next step.
If we go full circle back to a defensive coach then we are like a dog chasing our own tail.
I seem to recall his time at Everton starting off promising and then fairly quickly descending into the type of disorganised rabble that we are seeing under Ange.
He's doing ok at Fulham right now, but I have deep reservations about the prospect of him coming to Spurs.
Not keen on Frank, I think there's a strong possibility he could surprise me, but something about him irks me and I feel as though he's the kind of manager who thrives at exceeding expectations at a smaller club but wouldn't be able to translate that to a larger one.
Iraola seems the best of the trio of current PL clubs to me, I think his style and approach would translate best to our "project".
I'm confident that all three options would outperform Ange quite comfortably though.