looks like Bentancur heads it onto the chavski player who gets the last touch.
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Match Spurs vs Chelsea. 6 Nov 8pm
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Yeah let’s not turn into the embarrassing cunts down the road
Maddison got fouled more than once in the first half.
Dier looked good last night , is it because he isn’t forced to play a low block ?
Don’t get me wrong we need someone better in Jan but he isn’t as bad as I remembered him to be from last season!
Don’t get me wrong we need someone better in Jan but he isn’t as bad as I remembered him to be from last season!
what bit did he look good at? all i saw was him struggling to chase chelsea players that were quicker than him?
Probably a mix of him having a decent game and Chelsea needing a millions chances.
He's not good enough a defender to play low block, not being under pressure for 90% of the game helps not highlighting his deficiencies, but his lack of pace will cause us issues
Any benefit of the doubt went against him in this challenge because five minutes before he unnecessarily kicked a player off the ball. Var didn’t punish him for it but all grace was used up. That’s why he must take blsme for being sent off. But the challenge he was sent off for, in isolation, it just wasn’t a red, imo. So we can feel a bit annoyed about that.
Udogie rightly got two yellows. He will learn from it, when on a yellow you can’t dive in like that. Especially when you team us already down to 10. Also needs to learn not to two footed challenge even though he got away with it.
Yeah looks like it. It looked like it at the time but you couldn’t tell for sure with the angle VAR had.
Bravest performance from a Spurs team that I can remember. Absolutely magnificent.
Make no mistake we take much much out of that game than Chelsea. They get 3 points but that is the sort of performance that brings a whole club together.
Make no mistake we take much much out of that game than Chelsea. They get 3 points but that is the sort of performance that brings a whole club together.
Intentionally touched by Chelsea means offside not in play?
I don’t know the offside rule enough anymore as changes all the time but fact hits Chelsea man after and it’s that momentum takes to bentacour doesn’t that make it onside
So in real terms it should have been given as it wasn’t clear whether Bentancur touched it or a defender did!
Officials seemed determined to ensure a Chav win!
Ref Oliver had a mare but was probably following orders!
Palace did the same.
Every team will do that to him now. We've got to make it known in press conferences.
Ange is quite diplomatic but he's also got to make a point of this persistent fouling.
Some of the tackles especially in the palace were nasty and worthy of red cards.
This photo is an example of how we got things wrong - even if you support the notion of carrying on with the high line with 9 men.
You need to pressure the passers, not all line up on the half way line.
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The thing I don't understand is that we've seen us drop a bit deeper in other games and pull results out. Why in this game did it become so important that we camped on the halfway line?
For those that disagree with me, and I know that's lots, here's an article supporting their view:
theathletic.com
When Ange Postecoglou took over as Tottenham Hotspur head coach this summer, we were told again and again that he simply would not compromise. Whatever the situation, he would continue to play in the same way. His almost evangelical devotion to his principles of football means he simply sees no other option.
At times on Monday, it felt as though the game against Chelsea was designed to test Postecoglou’s idealism.
Spurs were down to nine men and the centre of their defence was made up of Eric Dier and Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg. That’s one centre-back who hadn’t played a minute all season and isn’t known for his pace, alongside a reserve defensive midfielder playing out of position.
By this point, Tottenham had had two players sent off and lost two of their stars — Micky van de Ven and James Maddison — to injury.
But Postecoglou didn’t do the typical thing in this scenario of instructing his team to dig in and drop deep to try to snatch a draw. Instead, he doubled down, asking Hojbjerg and Dier to push up to the halfway line to try to squeeze the space, standing roughly in a line with five of Spurs’ six other defenders.
It was an extraordinary spectacle.
In the 68th minute, Chelsea finally worked out how to spring the trap. Despite having four players in an offside position, Marc Cucurella timed his run well from a deeper position and had a shot saved.
The freeze-frame of Tottenham’s defensive line feels symbolic of Postecoglou’s Spurs and his principles more generally. Front-footed, bold, unconventional.
Just after that chance, Postecoglou called Dier over and reiterated the message that he and Hojbjerg should keep pushing up to the halfway line.
“It’s just who we are, mate,” Postecoglou explained after the game. “As long as I’m here, that’s what we’re going to do. Even with five men, we’ll have a go.”
Eventually, Chelsea worked out how to expose Spurs’ high line and ran in three late goals to seal a 4-1 win. Though the game-settling third in the 94th minute came just after Son Heung-min had very nearly equalised, Dier had a goal ruled out for a tight offside and Rodrigo Bentancur just failed to turn in a cross from close range. For a team with nine men, Spurs were remarkably in the game — even deep into stoppage time.
How, then, do we assess an extraordinary match? Encouraging proof of Postecoglou’s commitment to his principles, or evidence of his and his team’s limitations?
Well, first of all, Spurs were likely to lose this game however they had approached it once they were down to nine men, with the score at 1-1 and only 55 minutes played.
And given those circumstances, there are a lot of positives.
For a start, Postecoglou has shown to his players that he believes wholeheartedly in what he is preaching to them. At Brisbane Roar and Celtic, there were equivalent early games that went disastrously but were subsequently cited as being crucial in both teams’ development, uniting them and crystallising some of his messages. At Roar, it was a 3-0 defeat to Melbourne Victory in September 2010. Then, at Celtic, there was a home 4-0 defeat to Bayer Leverkusen in September 2021, a few months after the Australian had taken over.
GO DEEPER
'The mood has been transformed' - what Postecoglou changed in first 100 days at Spurs
Both of those games were held up as evidence of Postecoglou’s naivety and stubbornness; both of those seasons finished with Postecoglou’s sides winning the title. He has spoken previously about how it’s in tough moments that you learn the most about yourself and your team.
Monday night may end up having a similarly galvanising effect. The mood in the Spurs dressing room after the game was one of defiance and pride in continuing to play their way. The reaction of the crowd was similar, cheering the team as if they had just scored a goal when they had conceded the game-settling third. Despite the scoreline, it was another night that strengthened the bond between the players and the fans, as well as the players and the manager and the fans and the manager.
And that matters in maintaining the momentum of Postecoglou’s excellent start.
Spurs can take a lot from what happened after 55 minutes, but they also need to reflect on how they put themselves in such a hopeless position.
Destiny Udogie and Cristian Romero could have been sent off for straight red cards in the first 22 minutes and even the normally calm Postecoglou was booked in the first half for stepping outside his technical area to express his frustration.
Following that early reprieve, Romero was sent off soon after for a foul on Enzo Fernandez, while Udogie took a needless risk in picking up his second yellow card when he slid in to try to win a ball that was out of his reach.
On a night that required cool heads, Romero lost his early on and didn’t even nearly relocate it before getting himself sent off. Among all of this, Postecoglou will be frustrated that before Spurs lost their discipline, they looked like they might run away with the game after Dejan Kulusevski’s early opener.
The result is deflating and could have serious longer-term consequences depending on the severity of Maddison and Van de Ven’s injuries, but Spurs’ performance also served to strengthen the clarity of Postecoglou’s message. Nothing will divert him from playing the way he believes will achieve sustainable success for this team.
Or, in other words, “It’s just who we are, mate.”
You need to pressure the passers, not all line up on the half way line.
uploading pictures
The thing I don't understand is that we've seen us drop a bit deeper in other games and pull results out. Why in this game did it become so important that we camped on the halfway line?
For those that disagree with me, and I know that's lots, here's an article supporting their view:
'It's just who we are, mate': Why Spurs emerged stronger from a 4-1 defeat
Even in defeat to Chelsea, Ange Postecoglou proved that his faith in his team and principles is resolute
theathletic.com
When Ange Postecoglou took over as Tottenham Hotspur head coach this summer, we were told again and again that he simply would not compromise. Whatever the situation, he would continue to play in the same way. His almost evangelical devotion to his principles of football means he simply sees no other option.
At times on Monday, it felt as though the game against Chelsea was designed to test Postecoglou’s idealism.
Spurs were down to nine men and the centre of their defence was made up of Eric Dier and Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg. That’s one centre-back who hadn’t played a minute all season and isn’t known for his pace, alongside a reserve defensive midfielder playing out of position.
By this point, Tottenham had had two players sent off and lost two of their stars — Micky van de Ven and James Maddison — to injury.
But Postecoglou didn’t do the typical thing in this scenario of instructing his team to dig in and drop deep to try to snatch a draw. Instead, he doubled down, asking Hojbjerg and Dier to push up to the halfway line to try to squeeze the space, standing roughly in a line with five of Spurs’ six other defenders.
It was an extraordinary spectacle.
In the 68th minute, Chelsea finally worked out how to spring the trap. Despite having four players in an offside position, Marc Cucurella timed his run well from a deeper position and had a shot saved.
The freeze-frame of Tottenham’s defensive line feels symbolic of Postecoglou’s Spurs and his principles more generally. Front-footed, bold, unconventional.
Just after that chance, Postecoglou called Dier over and reiterated the message that he and Hojbjerg should keep pushing up to the halfway line.
“It’s just who we are, mate,” Postecoglou explained after the game. “As long as I’m here, that’s what we’re going to do. Even with five men, we’ll have a go.”
Eventually, Chelsea worked out how to expose Spurs’ high line and ran in three late goals to seal a 4-1 win. Though the game-settling third in the 94th minute came just after Son Heung-min had very nearly equalised, Dier had a goal ruled out for a tight offside and Rodrigo Bentancur just failed to turn in a cross from close range. For a team with nine men, Spurs were remarkably in the game — even deep into stoppage time.
How, then, do we assess an extraordinary match? Encouraging proof of Postecoglou’s commitment to his principles, or evidence of his and his team’s limitations?
Well, first of all, Spurs were likely to lose this game however they had approached it once they were down to nine men, with the score at 1-1 and only 55 minutes played.
And given those circumstances, there are a lot of positives.
For a start, Postecoglou has shown to his players that he believes wholeheartedly in what he is preaching to them. At Brisbane Roar and Celtic, there were equivalent early games that went disastrously but were subsequently cited as being crucial in both teams’ development, uniting them and crystallising some of his messages. At Roar, it was a 3-0 defeat to Melbourne Victory in September 2010. Then, at Celtic, there was a home 4-0 defeat to Bayer Leverkusen in September 2021, a few months after the Australian had taken over.
GO DEEPER
'The mood has been transformed' - what Postecoglou changed in first 100 days at Spurs
Both of those games were held up as evidence of Postecoglou’s naivety and stubbornness; both of those seasons finished with Postecoglou’s sides winning the title. He has spoken previously about how it’s in tough moments that you learn the most about yourself and your team.
Monday night may end up having a similarly galvanising effect. The mood in the Spurs dressing room after the game was one of defiance and pride in continuing to play their way. The reaction of the crowd was similar, cheering the team as if they had just scored a goal when they had conceded the game-settling third. Despite the scoreline, it was another night that strengthened the bond between the players and the fans, as well as the players and the manager and the fans and the manager.
And that matters in maintaining the momentum of Postecoglou’s excellent start.
Spurs can take a lot from what happened after 55 minutes, but they also need to reflect on how they put themselves in such a hopeless position.
Destiny Udogie and Cristian Romero could have been sent off for straight red cards in the first 22 minutes and even the normally calm Postecoglou was booked in the first half for stepping outside his technical area to express his frustration.
Following that early reprieve, Romero was sent off soon after for a foul on Enzo Fernandez, while Udogie took a needless risk in picking up his second yellow card when he slid in to try to win a ball that was out of his reach.
On a night that required cool heads, Romero lost his early on and didn’t even nearly relocate it before getting himself sent off. Among all of this, Postecoglou will be frustrated that before Spurs lost their discipline, they looked like they might run away with the game after Dejan Kulusevski’s early opener.
The result is deflating and could have serious longer-term consequences depending on the severity of Maddison and Van de Ven’s injuries, but Spurs’ performance also served to strengthen the clarity of Postecoglou’s message. Nothing will divert him from playing the way he believes will achieve sustainable success for this team.
Or, in other words, “It’s just who we are, mate.”
Can you run that by my one more time....This photo is an example of how we got things wrong - even if you support the notion of carrying on with the high line with 9 men.
You need to pressure the passers, not all line up on the half way line.
uploading pictures
The thing I don't understand is that we've seen us drop a bit deeper in other games and pull results out. Why in this game did it become so important that we camped on the halfway line?
For those that disagree with me, and I know that's lots, here's an article supporting their view:
'It's just who we are, mate': Why Spurs emerged stronger from a 4-1 defeat
Even in defeat to Chelsea, Ange Postecoglou proved that his faith in his team and principles is resolute
When Ange Postecoglou took over as Tottenham Hotspur head coach this summer, we were told again and again that he simply would not compromise. Whatever the situation, he would continue to play in the same way. His almost evangelical devotion to his principles of football means he simply sees no other option.
At times on Monday, it felt as though the game against Chelsea was designed to test Postecoglou’s idealism.
Spurs were down to nine men and the centre of their defence was made up of Eric Dier and Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg. That’s one centre-back who hadn’t played a minute all season and isn’t known for his pace, alongside a reserve defensive midfielder playing out of position.
By this point, Tottenham had had two players sent off and lost two of their stars — Micky van de Ven and James Maddison — to injury.
But Postecoglou didn’t do the typical thing in this scenario of instructing his team to dig in and drop deep to try to snatch a draw. Instead, he doubled down, asking Hojbjerg and Dier to push up to the halfway line to try to squeeze the space, standing roughly in a line with five of Spurs’ six other defenders.
It was an extraordinary spectacle.
In the 68th minute, Chelsea finally worked out how to spring the trap. Despite having four players in an offside position, Marc Cucurella timed his run well from a deeper position and had a shot saved.
The freeze-frame of Tottenham’s defensive line feels symbolic of Postecoglou’s Spurs and his principles more generally. Front-footed, bold, unconventional.
Just after that chance, Postecoglou called Dier over and reiterated the message that he and Hojbjerg should keep pushing up to the halfway line.
“It’s just who we are, mate,” Postecoglou explained after the game. “As long as I’m here, that’s what we’re going to do. Even with five men, we’ll have a go.”
Eventually, Chelsea worked out how to expose Spurs’ high line and ran in three late goals to seal a 4-1 win. Though the game-settling third in the 94th minute came just after Son Heung-min had very nearly equalised, Dier had a goal ruled out for a tight offside and Rodrigo Bentancur just failed to turn in a cross from close range. For a team with nine men, Spurs were remarkably in the game — even deep into stoppage time.
How, then, do we assess an extraordinary match? Encouraging proof of Postecoglou’s commitment to his principles, or evidence of his and his team’s limitations?
Well, first of all, Spurs were likely to lose this game however they had approached it once they were down to nine men, with the score at 1-1 and only 55 minutes played.
And given those circumstances, there are a lot of positives.
For a start, Postecoglou has shown to his players that he believes wholeheartedly in what he is preaching to them. At Brisbane Roar and Celtic, there were equivalent early games that went disastrously but were subsequently cited as being crucial in both teams’ development, uniting them and crystallising some of his messages. At Roar, it was a 3-0 defeat to Melbourne Victory in September 2010. Then, at Celtic, there was a home 4-0 defeat to Bayer Leverkusen in September 2021, a few months after the Australian had taken over.
GO DEEPER
'The mood has been transformed' - what Postecoglou changed in first 100 days at Spurs
Both of those games were held up as evidence of Postecoglou’s naivety and stubbornness; both of those seasons finished with Postecoglou’s sides winning the title. He has spoken previously about how it’s in tough moments that you learn the most about yourself and your team.
Monday night may end up having a similarly galvanising effect. The mood in the Spurs dressing room after the game was one of defiance and pride in continuing to play their way. The reaction of the crowd was similar, cheering the team as if they had just scored a goal when they had conceded the game-settling third. Despite the scoreline, it was another night that strengthened the bond between the players and the fans, as well as the players and the manager and the fans and the manager.
And that matters in maintaining the momentum of Postecoglou’s excellent start.
Spurs can take a lot from what happened after 55 minutes, but they also need to reflect on how they put themselves in such a hopeless position.
Destiny Udogie and Cristian Romero could have been sent off for straight red cards in the first 22 minutes and even the normally calm Postecoglou was booked in the first half for stepping outside his technical area to express his frustration.
Following that early reprieve, Romero was sent off soon after for a foul on Enzo Fernandez, while Udogie took a needless risk in picking up his second yellow card when he slid in to try to win a ball that was out of his reach.
On a night that required cool heads, Romero lost his early on and didn’t even nearly relocate it before getting himself sent off. Among all of this, Postecoglou will be frustrated that before Spurs lost their discipline, they looked like they might run away with the game after Dejan Kulusevski’s early opener.
The result is deflating and could have serious longer-term consequences depending on the severity of Maddison and Van de Ven’s injuries, but Spurs’ performance also served to strengthen the clarity of Postecoglou’s message. Nothing will divert him from playing the way he believes will achieve sustainable success for this team.
Or, in other words, “It’s just who we are, mate.”
Absolutely this.
Yeah we lost the points, yeah we've lost important players for a while, yeah it was Chelsea.
But you're absolutely right - what we were lucky enough to witness last night was extraordinary.
The effort from the players was monumental, they did things that broke mental and will to win barriers and will make them realise just how far they can push themselves, how much they can achieve through sheer effort and determination and desire.
We're at the beginning of all this remember - we've got a long way to go before we have the squad we want and need - but what Ange has done is extraordinary. He's got the players doing things we couldn't have dreamed of, working their balls off, running through brick walls and all while playing a brand of football that is exhilarating and entertaining. To nearly sneak a 2-2 was unbelievable and it would've been deserved, to have 3 chances at it was extraordinary with 9 players.
Yes there's lots to be done, we don't need daft individual mistakes and decisions and players losing their heads but the connection and appreciation from fans to players and back again was something I've rarely seen after a loss to hated rivals. It was a genuinely moving moment, a joining together in spirit that going forward can only be a positive.
I'm glad I was there to witness it - the result in time will be pushed to one side but the spirit and desire are the most important takeaway from this game and it only bodes well for the season and beyond.
Well done Spurs - yesterday you did something extraordinary and you did us proud.
Also...
We weren't getting a draw by defending the edge of the box for 45 minutes with 9 men and only 1 CB. Not a chance.
I think Ange used this situation to see what his players were made of, to push them to try harder, to not make excuses, to stick to the ethos, to get on with it and not give up.
It was unbelievable stuff and to get 3 chances with 9 and come so close to a draw with so much effort is much bigger than the 3 points. Now the players realise what they can be capable of....that's worth it's weight going forward.
We weren't getting a draw by defending the edge of the box for 45 minutes with 9 men and only 1 CB. Not a chance.
I think Ange used this situation to see what his players were made of, to push them to try harder, to not make excuses, to stick to the ethos, to get on with it and not give up.
It was unbelievable stuff and to get 3 chances with 9 and come so close to a draw with so much effort is much bigger than the 3 points. Now the players realise what they can be capable of....that's worth it's weight going forward.