Pull the other won treacle , it's got bells on.
Blimey with this bunch of cretins running the show , I've got more chance of triple crumpet .
Keep it up , if you get want l mean , my old mucker .
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Blimey with this bunch of cretins running the show , I've got more chance of triple crumpet .
Keep it up , if you get want l mean , my old mucker .
Thanks for that, I hadn't realized. It explains why no one really went for him this winter.
I'm not saying it's not good but I am saying that some people think because Kane and Bentaleb have come to prominence this year and Mason has got into the first team (at 23), that we'll now just unearth 2-3 new, Premier League quality youngsters per year and all is well.
We've bought wrong a lot, we find some cheap young and academy talent (for the first time in a while) so now there is growing acceptance that we won't buy much but will improve.
With a stadium to build that will suit Levy of course and there won't be much option.
As for definitely being better than all but Chelsea, if you have intricate knowledge of this to such an extent then fair enough, I'd say not many do.
My limited knowledge of FFP is that actually Chelsea and Man City have been working loop-holes to ensure they can maintain their financial superiority and including buying youth and academy investment and development in that. Scum have youngsters in the first team but can now spend £40m a player, same as the Scousers, United more than that. Everton have developed Coleman, Barkley, Stones, Southampton a constant production line, Villa have depended on lots of youth and survived to date, not sure we're really streets ahead.
Also, define 'success'? We reached the League cup final yes but have gone out of Europa in the last 32 and have stiff competition for 5th or 6th let alone 4th so we're potentially worse than the past 5years. But it's success because we have used some academy products and cheap young players? That is relative success but, without kicking on and achieving more next season it is not progress, just same old end results from a different formula.
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Coleman was signed from an Irish team when he was 20 and Stones already had over 20 senior appearances for Barnsley when he was signed up. Both of them had nothing to do with Everton's academy.
I said they've developed them, the cost and breakthrough principle I'm talking about is similar so to be more definitive; academy and/or youngsters costing next to nothing then. They weren't Premier League players when they joined and they were kids relatively speaking. Stones pricier admittedly but cheaper than Dier.
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So if the reports are true and we've signed Wimmer, is that really a position we needed filling?
We have Vertonghen, Fazio, Dier, Chiriches and Kaboul. I'm guessing Kaboul is gone this summer, and Chiriches looks likely to leave, but I don't see Wimmer being first choice. Will he be loaned out do we think?
We have Vertonghen, Fazio, Dier, Chiriches and Kaboul. I'm guessing Kaboul is gone this summer, and Chiriches looks likely to leave, but I don't see Wimmer being first choice. Will he be loaned out do we think?
I don't think Vertonghen will be staying. Never reached the form of his first season. His contract is running till 2016, we might just get some money this summer for him. Wimmer seems to be the replacement.
Is Wimmer as good as Vertonghen though? Seems a risky move.
I don't think Vertonghen will be leaving - I actually reckon he'll sign a new deal. Wimmer is a similar sort of player to Vertonghen, but not ready to replace him. He is more likely to replace Kaboul. If Vertonghen does end up leaving, we'll sign someone else as well as Wimmer.
As far as knowing the quality of the respective youth programs goes, I judge based on the way clubs have done in the various tournaments. Most of the large clubs are not doing as well as we do. Chelsea is the major exception.
FFP does have loopholes, and Chelsea have been smart in exploiting them by buying up and stocking piling talent at various loan clubs. They generate profit through sales to cover for the signings they make. City don't really have any of that. They are investing in their Academy NOW, but didn't in the past, and this is biting them in the ass, since their first team squad is not built for the long term. They need to replace a lot of talent soon, and the players they need to move are all on very large, long-term contracts. They can't buy their way out of this, since they also have a seriously lack of home grown players.
I am not saying we can expect 2-3 first team quality players per season. But if you look at the current squad, we have at least 4 players who came out of our youth set-up, with Rose also developing under us. To that, we will likely see Onomah and Pritchard added next year, and possibly Carter-Vickers, Yedlin Walker-Peters close to ready as well. 10 players of the 25-man squad. We don't have to do that every year, but we do have a lot of young talent which most observers think will be of a very high quality coming through in the next couple of years.
Yes, that is cheaper, but it also has the benefit of players who already have time together, and in the same system as the first team, making it much easier for them to transition into our squad, and to play well.
Some other teams are also doing this, notably Soton, but most teams don't have the same numbers of players ready to fit into the squad.
As far as defining success goes, if you're going to look at European performances, then it should be fair to note that there's a solid pool of about 40 squads across Europe who are around our level or better. We can't win them all, and given the issues around Spurs in the last few years, it's not much of a surprise that we've arguably under-achieved, aside from one season.
The question is, who would you go for in the summer?
I would think if we were bringing him in now, so early with regards the summer window, he is likely a target.
Our defense has been a mess most of the season and you have to wonder if Vertongen leaving might be the best thing for both parties. I know he is loved here but he is not the same player we all fell in love with. Similar to Sandro he just seems to be missing something.
I think Dier has looked fine for a first season and Fazio is a decent third choice, but we're still missing that defensive anchor.
I don't think it matters, as Levy wouldn't' listen to me :avblol:...
But I'd like us to go for someone like Alderwireld, if we're looking for Premier League experience or if we want to look at someone from a different league, someone like Fabian Schär from FC Basel.
Vertonghen is an odd one. Sometimes he can look fantastic, then other times it's as if he's forgotten he's in the middle of a match.
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