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That's just silly then!
They evidently would be worried as they think 70m is a risk. But suddenly if we spent that they aren't worried because we must have been able to afford it.
If the club spend 200m it must mean we can afford it by that logic. Especially with levy in charge.
So if the club can afford it but choose to not spend it, some would wrongly think we can't afford it because the club hasn't spent it. So if we can afford 200m but spend 50m, some will say we weren't able to afford 200m. Which would be false.
Anyway,I think your logic is very flawed & misses the point.

Who's "they", you coward?

You're may as well be having an argument with the boogie man.




Edit: Talking of pussy's.... Mindblown's logged on for the day.... Whooo-hoooooo!!!
 
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FFS I didn't think my Leeds comment would set everyone off.

I wasn't being serious. I don't actually believe we will "do a Leeds" just for buying Ndombele. I'm just trying to make the point that us fans should actually care about the club's finances, even if it's not our money. There are many other examples of clubs wasting money and suffering for it.

I do still believe 63 million is too much for Ndombele, but realize the market is idiotic right now.
 
Disagree with you ArcspacE ArcspacE .
Yes we have to furnish the loan but we are in a very different place even after only 5 home games, coupled with extra CL money.
We are a very well run club so the loans will be taken care of but now we are actually in the stadium not still looking forward to it, I am confident there is money to spend.
Might not be £80 but if Poch thinks a player is worth it then we will spend.
I hope it's more than 80 pound!! :harryhmm:
 
FFS I didn't think my Leeds comment would set everyone off.

I wasn't being serious. I don't actually believe we will "do a Leeds" just for buying Ndombele. I'm just trying to make the point that us fans should actually care about the club's finances, even if it's not our money.

There are many other examples of clubs wasting money and suffering for it.

It's cool mate, it's only the disingenuous fake-news crew that interpreted you to mean otherwise.

The pussy's haven't even got the balls to actually quote the people they are straw-manning against.



"Not my money" - :avbshit:
 
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That's just silly then!
They evidently would be worried as they think 70m is a risk. But suddenly if we spent that they aren't worried because we must have been able to afford it.
If the club spend 200m it must mean we can afford it by that logic. Especially with levy in charge.
So if the club can afford it but choose to not spend it, some would wrongly think we can't afford it because the club hasn't spent it. So if we can afford 200m but spend 50m, some will say we weren't able to afford 200m. Which would be false.
Anyway,I think your logic is very flawed & misses the point.
in your example :

spending 200M
-Given the information we currently have they think 70M is unaffordable.
-The Club know what is affordable or not
-We have a track record of the Club making descions to base our views on
-If we buy a player for 200M that's a new bit of information
-People change their opinions as new information comes to light (this is an important one, some seem to disregard this).

spending 50M
-We have a track record of the clubs actions and accounts, we base our view on this.
- According to the accounts we have not been storing money or paying dividends etc
-If the accounts have shown we were storing money we change our views accordingly (the new information leads to new views)

Logic is there, the clubs past actions have built up trust. We are allowed to discuss costs and explain possible reasons why we don't spend 70M without being concerned if we do. New information means you are allowed to change your mind.
 
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in your example :

spending 200M
-Given the information we currently have they think 70M is unaffordable.
-The Club know what is affordable or not
-We have a track record of the Club making descions to base our views on
-If we buy a player for 200M that's a new bit of information
-People change their opinions as new information comes to light (this is an important one, some seem to disregard this).

spending 50M
-We have a track record of the clubs actions and accounts, we base our view on this.
- According to the accounts we have not been storing money or paying dividends etc
-If the accounts have shown we were storing money we change our views accordingly (the new information leads to new views)

Logic is there, the clubs past actions have built up trust. We are allowed to discuss costs and explain possible reasons why we don't spend 70M without being concerned if we do. New information means you are allowed to change your mind.
I just think your opinion is conflicted & weak as you would change it to what the club does. You think we need to sign a few players but if we signed nobody that's cool because you trust the club. So already gone against your own opinion. If no signings mean we finish 6th you'll say the club made a mistake.
So even though your original opinion was correct, you sided with the club's which ended up being a bad season. But then it's too late. If we stuck with what you actually thought we might have had a better season.

Basically you're a yes man. I strongly think we need 3 players BUT the club Think no signings is the way to go, so now that's what I think we should do too despite my real opinion.
Or you rule out the possibility of the club having money to spend but wrongfully not spending it.
I am with username on this one.
 

Not sure how much truth there is to this but it basically says that Poch has telephoned Lo Celso to explain that £40m is all we can offer right now, until we sell players, possibly Eriksen.

Poch apparently also said to Celso that Spurs ‘don’t have much money to go to market’ but that will change if Eriksen gets sold.

Probably just bullshit but thought I would share anyway.
Okay so where the hell is all of the tv and prize money going then? We made like 250m this season from that alone
 
I just think your opinion is conflicted & weak as you would change it to what the club does. You think we need to sign a few players but if we signed nobody that's cool because you trust the club. So already gone against your own opinion. If no signings mean we finish 6th you'll say the club made a mistake.
So even though your original opinion was correct you sided with the club's which ended up being a had season. But then it's too late. If we stuck with what you actually thought we might have had a better season.

Basically you're a yes man. I strongly think we need 3 players BUT the club Think no signings is the way to go, so now that's what I think we should do too despite my real opinion.
Or you rule out the club having money to spend but wrongfully not spending it.

I am with username on this one.
Change it based upon new information not what the club does specifically, the only immediate information we have is the clubs actions- that's not weak that the logical thing to do. The club has built up a history of good decisions hence its logical to use that as a guide. If we had current year accounts you would use that, we don't so we can only use what's available.

*edit - added line- If we had a history in the accounts of underspending and / or not achieving then the clubs actions would not be that new information and we wouldn't trust it. Its past behavior that means we believe its new information, once that record has gone the clubs actions are not necessarily trusted.

The moment they lose the reputation is when people start to question - you go ahead and shout at the moon, I am happy with my position.

Would be nice ir you and username didn't take every discussion on a tangent - you have both made your point if its not going to change based on new information then we know your position - 3 players at any cost.
 
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I just think your opinion is conflicted & weak as you would change it to what the club does. You think we need to sign a few players but if we signed nobody that's cool because you trust the club. So already gone against your own opinion. If no signings mean we finish 6th you'll say the club made a mistake.
So even though your original opinion was correct, you sided with the club's which ended up being a bad season. But then it's too late. If we stuck with what you actually thought we might have had a better season.

Basically you're a yes man. I strongly think we need 3 players BUT the club Think no signings is the way to go, so now that's what I think we should do too despite my real opinion.
Or you rule out the possibility of the club having money to spend but wrongfully not spending it.
I am with username on this one.

Tough talk for such a coward.
 
In response.... We were incredibly unlucky last year due to the WC, no pre season and delayed access to our brand new shiny stadium, we helped Chelsea, Woolwich and man u get anywhere near us. We got the draw we needed and hit our target, we won't let them get close next year. Without those things the cracks won't be there and all things being equal we will improve.

Due to managers, budget and bans they won't improve significantly while we will with the rest and preseason. I think levy pays the price if its a decent price as proved by Sanchez and the accepted De Jong bid, I am confident he will do it again.
Actually, I disagree with everything you've said. We scraped in because the other three teams were going through their own problems. United began to hit their stride and were chasing us down. We were throwing away points on games we should have walked.
Our best players were clearly exhausted and Poch was hamstrung because we have such a weak bench. Llorente, Wanyama, Aurier et al. And Sanchez has yet to prove himself imo.
Kane injured, Son with his ban. You have to have a class replacement for at least defence, midfield and front. And we don't. We have to invest not least because some players will inevitably leave, retire etc. This is not meant to be a criticism of any particular individual. I'm just trying to get across the point that football is changing very quickly and we can't be Luddites or we may get left behind.
 
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Disagree with you ArcspacE ArcspacE .
Yes we have to furnish the loan but we are in a very different place even after only 5 home games, coupled with extra CL money.
We are a very well run club so the loans will be taken care of but now we are actually in the stadium not still looking forward to it, I am confident there is money to spend.
Might not be £80 but if Poch thinks a player is worth it then we will spend.
Sincerely hope you're right
 
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How many of these do you think were positive signings?

1. Paul Pogba - £93.25m
2. Romelu Lukaku - £75m
2. Virgil van Dijk - £75m

4. Alvaro Morata - £70m
5. Alisson Becker - £67m
6. Fred - £61.2m
7. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - £60m
7. Riyad Mahrez - £60m
9. Angel Di Maria – £59.7m

10. Aymeric Laporte - £57m


www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/11443139/top-10-most-expensive-premier-league-transfers-of-all-time
Maybe two. VVD and Aubameyang
 
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Change it based upon new information not what the club does specifically, the only immediate information we have is the clubs actions- that's not weak that the logical thing to do. The club has built up a history of good decisions hence its logical to use that as a guide. If we had current year accounts you would use that, we don't so we can only use what's available.

The moment they lose the reputation is when people start to question - you go ahead and shout at the moon, I am happy with my position.

It's important for some people to have made a proverbial 'call'.... As if, by predicting something right, they are a little bit closer to some mythical state of credibility.... There is no enjoying the ride and seeing what unfolds.... Just a quest to be seen as some kind of clairvoyant football mystic meg that knows more/better than those earning millions to run and manage the club.

Would be nice ir you and username didn't take every discussion on a tangent - you have both made your point if its not going to change based on new information then we know your position - 3 players at any cost.

#NotMyMoney :angryscouser:
 
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