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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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todd1882 said:
Then my suspicions are similar but your statement was ambiguous as to which side was 'dubious', the folks viewing our recruitment with a jaundiced eye or the actual work. Here, you suggest it's the work which is not typical of your stance with matters.
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Not so. If you dig about, on a scouting level you'll see me often make similar comments... Much like (in a certain sense), I occasionally mourn the lack of Europa League for it's ability to help us break in players.

(I'm not as much of a happy clapper as lazy stereotyping suggests. It's repetitive moaning/negativity and faux-experts that get's my back up generally. Not criticism or differing opinions.... Similarly, I actually openly admit where my knowledge-base is lacking.)

You can see how that could easily be misconstrued by the reading public. But now that you have cleared that up I admit to very similar concerns and views.
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I'm not infallible on this front... Far from the worst either tho'.

I'm dyslexic so think I generally do pretty damn well handling myself in written form, tbh!

I did. I don't consider the source I consider the sentiment. And, like you,I also believe we missed a great opportunity to build and not have to re-build. Unfortunate.
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Despite your recent accusations; I'm not so dis-similar.

Yes, I 'like' this post but I didn't 'agree' with it (entirely). I got no time for 'hype'. Parodoxically, I would feel somewhat reassured (about scouting if alternatives weren't cheapies for sake of saving money) if I heard names off the beaten path. I feel nothing that Poch wasted all summer going after De Jong who was never gonna be a longterm solution for us. It was ego and there were others around that could have helped us.
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'Hot', 'hyped', 'fancied prospects'.... Call 'em what you will. I sense you largely got my gist. Good enough for starters....

No idea what you're talking about.
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No? ...Not even a little bit? .....That cheeky dig below your avatar is just my imagination is it? :)
 
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Notabadsquad said:
I am honestly not sure what kind of player Pochettino wants.

Could anybody really say?
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I think Poch wants big name signings as opposed to the under the radar type signings these days. I definitely think the calibre of player he wants has gone up substantially since his early days with us which is great to see.i just hope he doesn't expect £50m deals each time as it's unrealistic with where things stand for us at present.

Lo Celso could have been signed for £25m a year ago, if I was Levy I'd ask why we are looking at him at c£60m-£70m when a year ago he'd have cost around £25m-£35m less. All well and good saying just spend the money but Levy's job is to actually think about the money and I'm sure these kind of things will come into his head, along with the fact we have scouts in France that clearly overlooked Ndombele's qualities prior to his move to Lyon.

Yes players develop but it'll cost Levy over £100m more for two players that if scouted before they hit the scene we could have identified and swooped for prior to their c£65m price tags.
 
todd1882 said:
I said it last summer and it's still scary. To be resorting to and relying on individual brilliance definitely says something about your coaching. Before going after this type of player I would like to see 10 outfield actual footballers. There were/are many, many, many areas for marginal gain in our team before putting the icing on the cake.

I wonder if Poch was pressured because he knew this was the end of a chapter and wanted to win something for the guys that brought him/them/us so far. If so then I have no problems with it. If it's a general shift towards galacticos (in the making) then I'm not so enthused.
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I just think we made Poch manager instead of head coach and he shifted the emphasis toward players he could "know" with more established profiles - Aurier, Sissoko, Moura, Llorente. In isolation you make cases economic/footballing for all of those signings (bar Sissoko - who at 55m fee and salary for a player who's profile never fitted a club like us) but better scouting and analytics - and including of our own academy players - could have found much better value alternatives that were available at the time, that would have retained some inherent economic value as well as footballing, meaning we could have concentrated funds on the odd better quality signing.
 
Nabil Bentaleb said:
Yeah whatever :pochcmon:
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“I am in negotiations with the biggest European clubs and I contacted PSG myself to tell them that if they wanted not to feel left out on players with this type of talent, that they needed to position themselves. If they are in agreement to match the two or three offers that we have already received and Tanguy chooses them, we will not oppose the deal. On the contrary, it would even be good if he went to PSG. The most talented French players must be in the best French clubs. PSG, Marseille, Lyon, St Étienne or even Rennes need to come together to create an ecosystem that serves French football.”
“That is my biggest desire. PSG are the ones who have the means and can make alternative propositions to the big European clubs. They win considerably to use French clubs more when they make their purchases. PSG’s money would be used for French clubs like I did several years ago.”

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VirginiaSpur said:
“I am in negotiations with the biggest European clubs and I contacted PSG myself to tell them that if they wanted not to feel left out on players with this type of talent, that they needed to position themselves. If they are in agreement to match the two or three offers that we have already received and Tanguy chooses them, we will not oppose the deal. On the contrary, it would even be good if he went to PSG. The most talented French players must be in the best French clubs. PSG, Marseille, Lyon, St Étienne or even Rennes need to come together to create an ecosystem that serves French football.”
“That is my biggest desire. PSG are the ones who have the means and can make alternative propositions to the big European clubs. They win considerably to use French clubs more when they make their purchases. PSG’s money would be used for French clubs like I did several years ago.”

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I was citing the talk I had with my mate today. That was a continuation of last week and what I posted in here before the major sites reported. But I’m not a douchebag about it
Not calling you a douche. But the scum of the SC
 
VirginiaSpur said:
“I am in negotiations with the biggest European clubs and I contacted PSG myself to tell them that if they wanted not to feel left out on players with this type of talent, that they needed to position themselves. If they are in agreement to match the two or three offers that we have already received and Tanguy chooses them, we will not oppose the deal. On the contrary, it would even be good if he went to PSG. The most talented French players must be in the best French clubs. PSG, Marseille, Lyon, St Étienne or even Rennes need to come together to create an ecosystem that serves French football.”
“That is my biggest desire. PSG are the ones who have the means and can make alternative propositions to the big European clubs. They win considerably to use French clubs more when they make their purchases. PSG’s money would be used for French clubs like I did several years ago.”

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Loose translation is that he wants to strengthen his strongest competitor in the French league. Which means the French league will never be competitive as PSG are so much stronger than any other club in that league.

Or alternatively he's desperate to get a bidding war going and think he has some influence with PSG.

Hopefully PSG have other deals to work on
 
Spursidol said:
Loose translation is that he wants to strengthen his strongest competitor in the French league. Which means the French league will never be competitive as PSG are so much stronger than any other club in that league.

Or alternatively he's desperate to get a bidding war going and think he has some influence with PSG.

Hopefully PSG have other deals to work on
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He's packaging it up like he's trying to do what's good and best for the French game but he doesn't give a shit. He knows Lyon are comfortably the 2nd biggest team in their league and he knows they're never catching PSG so it matters very little to him. He wants coin and PSG are owned by the richest of them all. A bidding war involving PSG, Real Madrid and Man U? Yes please according to him, not a one horse race with little old Tottenham for arguably his most expensive player.
 
Airfixx said:
Not so. If you dig about, on a scouting level you'll see me often make similar comments... Much like (in a certain sense), I occasionally mourn the lack of Europa League for it's ability to help us break in players.
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Perhaps you agree with Guardiola then and teams should field a B team in the lower divisions?

Airfixx said:
(I'm not as much of a happy clapper as lazy stereotyping suggests. It's repetitive moaning/negativity and faux-experts that get's my back up generally. Not criticism or differing opinions.... Similarly, I actually openly admit where my knowledge-base is lacking.)
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Repetitive moaning/negativity can be a bore. But many instances as such are still warranted because things look the same and until something changes then we can expect the same results. I've many a valid criticism shouted down. It might be the same people but, again, if the message is valid then why would the source matter?

Airfixx said:
I'm not infallible on this front... Far from the worst either tho'.
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Wasn't finding fault. I often write ambiguous/vague shit because I write as I speak so it doesn't always translate to the written word.

Airfixx said:
Despite your recent accusations; I'm not so dis-similar.
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Airfixx said:
'Hot', 'hyped', 'fancied prospects'.... Call 'em what you will. I sense you largely got my gist. Good enough for starters....
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Yeah, no issue with what or how you wrote it. I would just like to see us getting in some people that can actually play football. And when I see the reported hard-on that we have for Sessegnon I get worried because I don't sense that even in a few years time he will be more of a footballer and less of a Dele.

Airfixx said:
No? ...Not even a little bit? .....That cheeky dig below your avatar is just my imagination is it? :)
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Nope. No idea what you're talking about here. But the words under my avatar have been there for a few weeks and they are my self-styling as are yours.
 
bus-conductor said:
I just think we made Poch manager instead of head coach and he shifted the emphasis toward players he could "know" with more established profiles - Aurier, Sissoko, Moura, Llorente. In isolation you make cases economic/footballing for all of those signings (bar Sissoko - who at 55m fee and salary for a player who's profile never fitted a club like us) but better scouting and analytics - and including of our own academy players - could have found much better value alternatives that were available at the time, that would have retained some inherent economic value as well as footballing, meaning we could have concentrated funds on the odd better quality signing.
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And this I totally agree with and it damns the scouting. And it was why I called Airfixx Airfixx on what I thought was a defense of the strategy. Turns out he's in agreement. I would also add Sanchez into this list. I wonder what they saw to plunk down 42M (26+addons) for him. I understand his merits but for a mgr that makes folks like Lloris play out of the back what did he see in Sanchez's ballwork to justify spending? It's like they went to Ajax shopping and realized the item they wanted wasn't included in the big sale but just had to leave with something.

Even with all the 'insiders'/ITK over at SC no one ever was able to explain the scouting setup. It doesn't seem great and you would figure that ours would have to be better than the others in order to compete.
 
Nabil Bentaleb said:
At the moment aulas wants 71.5M pounds
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If that stays the price, we won't be getting him. It's too much money, even £65m is pushing it & I don't think Aulas will get any interest across Europe for that price, especially from us. Too much money it ain't practical and it would make Ndombele the 15th most expensive player of all time. €80m Euros that comes to, no chance we are doing that and if Poch gets the arse then maybe we ain't the club for him.
 
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