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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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JohnH said:
What have you seen in the last 2 years from Dele that make you think, the coming season will show us the best of him?
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Like I said he's been in bad form but has still been contributing with goals and assists I think our 3rd highest in goal contributions.

I just think with a pre season under jose the team will be more settled and can see him sonny and kane getting double figures this season.
 
Skippa18 said:
Like I said he's been in bad form but has still been contributing with goals and assists I think our 3rd highest in goal contributions.

I just think with a pre season under jose the team will be more settled and can see him sonny and kane getting double figures this season.
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......Dude, if Kane & Sonny don't get double figures we're in deeeeeep fucking trouble!!!!


Mind you, if nothing else I'd back Dele to fill his boots in the EL....
 
Gatsby said:
Lloris
Doherty - Alderweireld - Sanchez - Davies
Hojbjerg - Winks
Lucas - Lo Celso - Son
Kane

Gazzaniga/Hart, Tanganga, Dier, Ndombele, Bergwin, Dele, New ST
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I think thats a lot better starting line up than last season, and with proper depth too (Lamela, Sissoko, Sessengon not included on that bench)

A striker and creative midfielder are still needs, but it's been a good start to the window.
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I absolutely agree with this team selection, especially against big teams, but you need to switch the CB´s - Sanchez on the right, providing pace to cover for the RB; Toby on the left, playing centrally in possession. (Though my guess is that Jose will start the season with Dier-Toby - in this case, Toby would still be playing on the right).
 
MVP said:
I'm talking about us and what we need. Clearly the squad is not good enough and the players we bought in did not improve us because we finished 6th by the skin of our teeth. Mourinho can't take the same squad and do better Poch like he and the board thought he was going to do.

He HAS to do better next season otherwise he's gone, so this is the one window to back him and bring better players. PEH, Hart, Doherty that's not good enough and don't improve us significantly.
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Poch gave us 14 points in 12 games.

JM comes in, has loads of injuries (Kane, Lloris, Bergwijn et al) but gets enough PPG such that had we had him for the full season we would have been in top 4.

This summer he's clearly trying to improve the first X1 by getting in Hojbjerg into CM (in place of Sissoko), upgrading RB (Doherty) and getting in an HG GK rather than overseas trained for tyhat 3rd place. Still time for him to do another few tweaks to improve from the squad he inherited.
 
Ciro said:
I absolutely agree with this team selection, especially against big teams, but you need to switch the CB´s - Sanchez on the right, providing pace to cover for the RB; Toby on the left, playing centrally in possession. (Though my guess is that Jose will start the season with Dier-Toby - in this case, Toby would still be playing on the right).
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You agree that is what Jose will do or agree that is what he should do?

That is a terrible starting 11 and if that is our preferred squad in the PL we should be very concerned. Looks a lot like the team that couldn't create anything after the break.

GLC will have to come back so deep to get the ball or pray that Toby can hit him with long balls.

I don't disagree that is likely what Jose will do, but it certainly isn't what he should do or near good enough if we think we are competing for top 4.
 
Spursidol said:
We cannot afford to ignore the youngsters.

Spurs currently have 3 Club Trained Players - Kane, Winks and Rose - which limits Spurs to 24 players for a UEFA match squad.......or 23 assuming Rose moves on.......and that's about as small as a PL squad can be to compete in europe.

So at a minimum Spurs need to try to get 2 more Club trained players......and the only way to do that is to have a number of youngsters pursuing loan and playing at Spurs programmes for a couple of years to get to the appropriate level of experience to become a proper Spurs squad player.

Getting JM's buy in to have that as an objective is pretty crucial - and by starting with the 8 players I listed (Tanganga, Cirkin, White, CCV, Bowden, Skipp, Parrott, Eyoma) there's a very decent chance we will get the 2/3/4 Club trained players I suggest.

And the value of those will far outweigh any diminuation in the value of Doherty......so that's one of your arguments off the table.

And by the eway, as you kept suggesting Aurier might stay with a new contract, Aurier's value in about 3 or 4 years time would also be low - but without JM's buy in we dont get the youngsters through so none of their value to offset.......

I've no concerns about Doherty playing wise atm - be delighted not to have the number of unforced errors that Aurier seemed to get either.

And very pleased to get another overseas trained player place become available, which Doherty brings.

Really dont know why you want to argue this BC, reading other posts, looks like you are in a minority of one.

Sure Doherty isn't the perfect solution due to age, but other than that he ticks so many other boxes......and the age point goes away if JM wants Doherty as his choice and is prepared to do his best to get a few youngsters developed into Club trained footballers as the quid pro quo - and btw a few ManU supporters believe JM was responsible for helping bring through Rashford and McTominay there, so he is capable of doing that.
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I'm not advocating ignoring making some use of good academy youngsters, I'm saying I'll reserve judgement on the success of that when/if it actually happens. I've been here before where kids get games in pre-season, do well, and then disappear again.

I am not a huge fan of Aurier, and I get that there might be some IQ upside with Doherty, I just don't see enough general upgrade from Aurier to Doherty to make it worth having a player a year older - and one who's 29yo in 5 months - effectively swapping for similar money.

I can understand Mourinho's thinking on this, but not really impressed with Levy's, as I think it's just kicking a squad problem can down the road for another year.

There are other viable options out there, I'm not saying they are perfect solutions, but at least they allow us to move them on, maybe even make some money (or at least not lose most of it) if they don't work out.

If we aren't going to have a DOF then it's Levy's job to oversee the construction of the squad, ignoring who scouts and selects our targets, Levy understands the principle of age/inherent value.
 
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bus-conductor said:
I'm not advocating ignoring making some use of good academy youngsters, I'm saying I'll reserve judgement on the success of that when/if it actually happens. I've been here before where kids get games in pre-season, do well, and then disappear again.

I am not a huge fan of Aurier, and I get that there might be some IQ upside with Doherty, I just don't see enough general upgrade from Aurier to Doherty to make it worth having a player a year older - and one who's 29yo in 5 months - effectively swapping for similar money.

I can understand Mourinho's thinking on this, but not really impressed with Levy's, as I think it's just kicking a squad problem can down the road for another year.

There are other viable options out there, I'm not saying they are perfect solutions, but at least they allow us to move them on, maybe even make some money (or at least not lose mist of it) if they don't work out.

If we aren't going to have a DOF then it's Levy's job to oversee the construction of the squad, ignoring who scouts and selects our targets, Levy understands the principle of age/inherent value.
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JM wants the here and now, so its always going to be a compromise betweeen the club and manager.

I don't agree its kicking the squad problem down the road for a year - think its more like 3 years (worst case 2 years) given Doherty is 28 and played almost every game for Wolves last season including their EL games. But that's where if JM is agreeing to bring through youth then in 2-3 years time we might have 2/3/4 youngsters through which will more than compensate.

And as I said earlier getting in a PL proven player means there is little time needed to adapt to PL pace and freeing up an overseas trained place also has a value. And that is in addition to not having to deal with Aurier's errors next season.
 
MVP said:
Levy doesn't fully trust anyone, Poch was the guy who had the most trust but he still bumped heads with him over recruitment.

The players that we recruited so far are here because there was opportunity to get them cheap in Hart's case for free. It doesn't mean there is going to be any big rebuild, PEH replaces Wanyama, Hart replaces Vorm, Doherty replaces KWP, it's smoke and mirrors.
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you make a good point. Hart and Doherty are upgrades on the ones that they are replacing, in my opinion.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Anyone who has actually sat down and watched both players consistently knows which one is best and which you’d rather have in your team. I saw the wagon wheel the other day and the stats on this definitely lie. Ask every manager in the league and I bet nearly 20 out of 20 would want Doherty over Aurier.

Plus people need to get away with worrying about signing players with potential. That’s not where we are as a club right now. Now we have appointed Mourinho because we want to win, right now. Sure we might return to the previous model but at this moment in time we want ready made first xi players ready to make an impact. We’ve needed it for a while. Whilst we should still look at age, the players coming in need to hit the ground running this season from the first whistle. No project, just the here and now.
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I think through the years, Levy has looked at the big fees (relative to young kids) that we have wasted on players who have never taken us to the next level, with perhaps the exceptions of Klinsmann, VDV, Davids, and perhaps Lineker (i think he was 29 at the time?). Experienced or the "finished article" player never really appeared to work for us as a investment versus return policy.

We appeared under Poch to abandon the mixture of youth and experience and perhaps this was the reason, and frustration that Poch went through that last season?

Redknapp had a good mix, and so did Jol, but i think Levy got drawn too much towards the philosophy that youth would see us win and win on the cheap or as a cheaper way.

Even the two other London clubs had a youth and maturity mix in their squads, and this is where i think Jose was a good signing, and Levy fully understood Jose's history, temperament and player buying philosophy long before he drew up a contract.

I don't think anyone in here could envisage Poch buying Hart, Pierre or Doherty.

Well aside from Sammy who would be all over it for at least a week...
 
JanGinola said:


Thoughts? Would you let him go if right amount came in?
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He’s not a good goalie and at best a very mediocre back-up. He has zero chance to ever take over from Lloris in the future and was bad when he had to take over last year.

So I think selling him makes perfect sense. However if his replacement is Joe Hart then there is no way we can sell him because Hart absolutely sucks and cannot be relied on to play in any game for us let alone be the back-up.
 
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