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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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bus-conductor said:
I'm going to ignore the youngsters thing, as only time will tell how that plays out.

I get there might be a slim case for the Doherty thing on a purely short term, footballing basis, I'm not convinced but I'll accept there's an argument to be had. But it makes no sense on financial or team building levels.

What do we give him a 4 year deal ? then in two years time we've got a spent 30yo RB who we need to recycle again, who's lost about 80% of that value, who'll just end up like TA, SIssoko, Rose, JV just hanging around taking up a valuable squad place.

Do we even know Doherty will be able to replicate what Aurier does, in terms of athleticism and dynamism, getting up and down the pitch, playing in a back 4 instead of Wolves back 5?
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I understand dele's form hasn't been good but he's only really been bad since the whole team was playing bad too, also he's been the one who has been sacrificed to do the extra running or fill in here or there when injuries hav occurred or tactical switches.

He has moments of brilliance in him too, I think we will see the best of him this season if he can remain injury free.

On the Doherty debate. I think he'll be a great signing for us genuinely beats his man quite well gets goals and can create.

Someone pulled up his defence stats not saying they were as good Aurier but these can also be misleading as well.

He wins a hell of a lot more headers which often goes unnoticed. For example if the opposition play a diagonal Aurier will probably stand of his man let him control it then make a tackle. Whereas full backs who are good in the air will just attack the ball and try to win the header

I think Doherty is a better player all round so for 15m is good business no reason why he can't play at a good level untill he's 32-33
 
Karl August said:
Reports that seven(!) players at Chelsea has tested positive. Why the fuck are these players even allowed to go on holiday abroad??
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It's insane. Normal working families who, have arguably more stressful lives have had to go without a holiday for a year (I know we have) as it's not worth the risk and for the greater good. Could footballers not have given it a miss. Kane having to self-isolate, Ndombele contracting it, who will be next. Selfish IMHO.
 
Skippa18 said:
I understand dele's form hasn't been good but he's only really been bad since the whole team was playing bad too, also he's been the one who has been sacrificed to do the extra running or fill in here or there when injuries hav occurred or tactical switches.

He has moments of brilliance in him too, I think we will see the best of him this season if he can remain injury free.

On the Doherty debate. I think he'll be a great signing for us genuinely beats his man quite well gets goals and can create.

Someone pulled up his defence stats not saying they were as good Aurier but these can also be misleading as well.

He wins a hell of a lot more headers which often goes unnoticed. For example if the opposition play a diagonal Aurier will probably stand of his man let him control it then make a tackle. Whereas full backs who are good in the air will just attack the ball and try to win the header

I think Doherty is a better player all round so for 15m is good business no reason why he can't play at a good level untill he's 32-33
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How good is he technically? And how much does he rely on pace to win his battles? The stronger technically and less reliance on pace the longer he can play at the highest level.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Which of us hadn't taken medications?
One is melting down about the fact that Spurs was not mentioned in gossip column where 98% is absolute bullcrap anyway, other was being over-the-top sarcastic about this melting...

But guess you don't have to take a dose today, as we were linked with Doherty ...
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Careful now. You appear to be melting....
 
prinmemo said:
How good is he technically? And how much does he rely on pace to win his battles? The stronger technically and less reliance on pace the longer he can play at the highest level.
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I'm not an expert on him by any means but what I've seen from him is he's quite clever uses his space well and a decent dribbler and quick enough without just relying on that got good work ethic too. And he's 28 not 35
 
Airfixx said:
So the average team "rebuilds" every summer & January do they?

Sorry mate, as terminology goes, it's not typically taken to mean something merely reflective of general window-to-window trf activity.... The term "re-build" usually reflects a significant overhaul of a squad that is deemed to be nearing the end of a cycle; often taking multiple windows to achieve....

We've had 9 new players (and counting) through the door in approx 12 months the bulk of which are younger than those on the way out.... We ARE in the midst of a rebuild. That is exactly what's going on..... If you want to see 15 players in and out in just over a year you're being entirely unrealistic (perhaps if money is no object, but let's park that fantasy for the benefit of sensible discussion).

Your use of the term "smoke and mirrors" is entirely inappropriate too..... Are you suggesting that the players being brought in (especially the likes of GLC, Ndombele, Sess, Bergwijn & Doherty) weren't/aren't intended/expected to improve us? ....That (eg) 60m for Ndombele was just an elaborate ruse?
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I'm talking about us and what we need. Clearly the squad is not good enough and the players we bought in did not improve us because we finished 6th by the skin of our teeth. Mourinho can't take the same squad and do better Poch like he and the board thought he was going to do.

He HAS to do better next season otherwise he's gone, so this is the one window to back him and bring better players. PEH, Hart, Doherty that's not good enough and don't improve us significantly.
 
MVP said:
I'm talking about us and what we need. Clearly the squad is not good enough and the players we bought in did not improve us because we finished 6th by the skin of our teeth. Mourinho can't take the same squad and do better Poch like he and the board thought he was going to do.

He HAS to do better next season otherwise he's gone, so this is the one window to back him and bring better players. PEH, Hart, Doherty that's not good enough and don't improve us significantly.
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Saying we need to improve the squad further is fair enough....

Claiming that any notion of us attempting to revamp the squad was "smoke & mirrors" is bullshit.
 
bus-conductor said:
I'm going to ignore the youngsters thing, as only time will tell how that plays out.

I get there might be a slim case for the Doherty thing on a purely short term, footballing basis, I'm not convinced but I'll accept there's an argument to be had. But it makes no sense on financial or team building levels.

What do we give him a 4 year deal ? then in two years time we've got a spent 30yo RB who we need to recycle again, who's lost about 80% of that value, who'll just end up like TA, SIssoko, Rose, JV just hanging around taking up a valuable squad place.

Do we even know Doherty will be able to replicate what Aurier does, in terms of athleticism and dynamism, getting up and down the pitch, playing in a back 4 instead of Wolves back 5?
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I hear you, but I think there's a direct contradiction between any medium term team building aspirations Levy may have and Mourinho's impatience for a "Win Now" culture.
I suspect he sees a PL and Europa League-established player like Doherty as a better bet for the next two seasons than someone like Aarons who probably has a higher potential ceiling but is not as effective a player right now.
If Mourinho wanted a small but creative RB, we'd have been far better off keeping KWP, which would have cost us nothing and provided a Home Grown club player for the squad.
But Mourinho's actions last season in playing Aurier whenever he was fit, despite the Amazon doc revealing he recognized Serge was a complete liability as a defensive marker at corners, makes clear the type of RB he wants.
 
Skippa18 said:
I understand dele's form hasn't been good but he's only really been bad since the whole team was playing bad too, also he's been the one who has been sacrificed to do the extra running or fill in here or there when injuries hav occurred or tactical switches.

He has moments of brilliance in him too, I think we will see the best of him this season if he can remain injury free.

On the Doherty debate. I think he'll be a great signing for us genuinely beats his man quite well gets goals and can create.

Someone pulled up his defence stats not saying they were as good Aurier but these can also be misleading as well.

He wins a hell of a lot more headers which often goes unnoticed. For example if the opposition play a diagonal Aurier will probably stand of his man let him control it then make a tackle. Whereas full backs who are good in the air will just attack the ball and try to win the header

I think Doherty is a better player all round so for 15m is good business no reason why he can't play at a good level untill he's 32-33
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What have you seen in the last 2 years from Dele that make you think, the coming season will show us the best of him?
 
bus-conductor said:
I'm going to ignore the youngsters thing, as only time will tell how that plays out.

I get there might be a slim case for the Doherty thing on a purely short term, footballing basis, I'm not convinced but I'll accept there's an argument to be had. But it makes no sense on financial or team building levels.

What do we give him a 4 year deal ? then in two years time we've got a spent 30yo RB who we need to recycle again, who's lost about 80% of that value, who'll just end up like TA, SIssoko, Rose, JV just hanging around taking up a valuable squad place.

Do we even know Doherty will be able to replicate what Aurier does, in terms of athleticism and dynamism, getting up and down the pitch, playing in a back 4 instead of Wolves back 5?
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We cannot afford to ignore the youngsters.

Spurs currently have 3 Club Trained Players - Kane, Winks and Rose - which limits Spurs to 24 players for a UEFA match squad.......or 23 assuming Rose moves on.......and that's about as small as a PL squad can be to compete in europe.

So at a minimum Spurs need to try to get 2 more Club trained players......and the only way to do that is to have a number of youngsters pursuing loan and playing at Spurs programmes for a couple of years to get to the appropriate level of experience to become a proper Spurs squad player.

Getting JM's buy in to have that as an objective is pretty crucial - and by starting with the 8 players I listed (Tanganga, Cirkin, White, CCV, Bowden, Skipp, Parrott, Eyoma) there's a very decent chance we will get the 2/3/4 Club trained players I suggest.

And the value of those will far outweigh any diminuation in the value of Doherty......so that's one of your arguments off the table.

And by the eway, as you kept suggesting Aurier might stay with a new contract, Aurier's value in about 3 or 4 years time would also be low - but without JM's buy in we dont get the youngsters through so none of their value to offset.......

I've no concerns about Doherty playing wise atm - be delighted not to have the number of unforced errors that Aurier seemed to get either.

And very pleased to get another overseas trained player place become available, which Doherty brings.

Really dont know why you want to argue this BC, reading other posts, looks like you are in a minority of one.

Sure Doherty isn't the perfect solution due to age, but other than that he ticks so many other boxes......and the age point goes away if JM wants Doherty as his choice and is prepared to do his best to get a few youngsters developed into Club trained footballers as the quid pro quo - and btw a few ManU supporters believe JM was responsible for helping bring through Rashford and McTominay there, so he is capable of doing that.
 
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