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Transfers Summer 2022 Transfer Thread.

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ACL surgeries are pretty strong nowadays and the probability of recurrence is not high. So I don’t think it makes him injury prone in the future. The big IF is does he still have the athleticism/agility he had before? If that’s a yes, many players do just fine after ACL surgery. 20 years ago, players never recovered to 100%.

While tearing both ACLs is alarming, they are singular long-term injuries that lead to a lot of time missed. That is less indicative of future injuries compared to someone that misses the same amount of time due to 3-4 smaller, muscular injuries or a degenerative issue. Muscle injuries have a high recurrence rate, never fully heal, and take a LONG time to even get close.

Thank you!

Common sense at last.

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For fucks sake are you now sating that "injury prone" is a selective adjective depending on what type of injury?

Go away you fuckng idiot.

Two players have two injuries but only one of them is "injury prone" but because the other player plays for the club i support he's fitter than a butchers dog.

I am over talking about this, you are simply blinkered on this subject.

Bye.
Bloody hell calm down.

Skipp missed months due to a groin infection, and has missed last few weeks due to studs causing an impact injury.

Zaniolo has had 2 ACL ruptures which are more serious, and the fact he’s had 2 shows he may be prone to ACL tears.

Skip’s injuries certainly wont impact him long term, but ACLs can.

Not hating on Zaniolo; but that injury record must be taken into account for player valuations.
 
There is a lot wrong with this IMO (the bolded parts), although at a cheap price he might be worth it as a bench option.

He has a lot of physical strength and is very very quick, but he is nowhere near being the nest dribbler in the world. He was not even one of the best dribblers in the PL when he was here..

And about Lucas, if the both got the same amount of game time then I really don't think Traore would do much better. However I think he would be worth it at a low price to offer a different option on the bench.
Dribbler is a bit of a broad term. He’s not a silky dribbler, but an effective one in wide 1v1 opportunities. See the stat below. Not only highest % but way higher in # of attempts which makes it even more impressive.


 
Sure, that all makes sense.

It’s the loaning out bit that is annoying. Paying pretty large fees and then handing them over to other teams seems counterproductive.
I see where you might think this, but we're talking about buying players that aren't ready for OUR first team yet.

Historically, we've had more success with players going out on loan and coming back as better players, whereas I can't think of a single young player that we've either brought through solely from the academy, or bought in and then put in our reserves whilst they mature, that's made it as a real top quality player. The last I can think of actually is Hoddle.

Kane became better through loans and first team action there, despite some being failures. Danny Rose is another.

More often than not, the loan is the polar opposite of counterproductive.
 
Bloody hell calm down.

Skipp missed months due to a groin infection, and has missed last few weeks due to studs causing an impact injury.

Zaniolo has had 2 ACL ruptures which are more serious, and the fact he’s had 2 shows he may be prone to ACL tears.

Skip’s injuries certainly wont impact him long term, but ACLs can.

Not hating on Zaniolo; but that injury record must be taken into account for player valuations.
No one is prone to ACL tears, unless their leg muscles are made of wet tissue.

The vast majority are caused by impacts, and are usually the result of bad luck more than anything else.

I had both my ACL and PCL snapped in a game, effectively ending all of my Footballing aspirations, and it was pure bad luck. I toed a ball away from an advancing player as he was swinging a leg at it. Had he been a split second earlier, I'd have ended up with not much more than a bruised knee. As it was, he connected with the side of my knee just as I planted my foot. The ground was fairly moist, so my studs anchored, he connected and my knee folded sideways.

I screamed like a 12 year old at a Justin Beaber concert!

The point being that those kind of impact injuries are pure bad luck. For Zaniolo to have had one to each knee is disgustingly bad luck. I'd be inclined to bring him in just because karma would make him the luckiest player on every pitch he played on after that!
 
Sure, that all makes sense.

It’s the loaning out bit that is annoying. Paying pretty large fees and then handing them over to other teams seems counterproductive.

If they aren't going to get many minutes for us, it makes a lot of sense for them to be getting regular first team football at a decent level somewhere else. Much better for their education and development than getting three games for us in the League/FA Cup.
 
If they aren't going to get many minutes for us, it makes a lot of sense for them to be getting regular first team football at a decent level somewhere else. Much better for their education and development than getting three games for us in the League/FA Cup.
Yep. Agree.

It’s not really the principle that annoys me, rather the sums we’re paying for the prospects. Gil was not cheap. Doesn’t look like this kid will be either.

I think we’re spending a lot of money on these deals when, at the same time, perhaps blanching at spending an extra 15 million or so on a proven player that will slot straight into the team. Still feels like there’s a slight lottery element to our recruitment. I know, in reality, all transfers represent a risk but we don’t half seem to buy some duds.
 
Yep. Agree.

It’s not really the principle that annoys me, rather the sums we’re paying for the prospects. Gil was not cheap. Doesn’t look like this kid will be either.

I think we’re spending a lot of money on these deals when, at the same time, perhaps blanching at spending an extra 15 million or so on a proven player that will slot straight into the team. Still feels like there’s a slight lottery element to our recruitment. I know, in reality, all transfers represent a risk but we don’t half seem to buy some duds.

Yeah, might have been nice to have added one or two real cock knocking first team improvers wouldn't it. I kind thought that was what the 150k Smoking Joe found down the back of the sofa might enable, to mix in with some of the more value items.
 
Does any other club buy as many players and then loan them out immediately?

Of recent, Clarke, Gil, Sarr and now this fella. To say nothing of the chuckle dickheads Lo Celso and Tanguy (although, obviously different).

A bit spoiled perhaps, but getting a touch bored of these ‘prospect purchases’.
I laughed at "chuckle dickheads".

The obvious comparison that I can think of is Chelsea. As odious as it is to watch them suck up half the u21 market, it seems to have paid dividends for them in giving them a consistent stable of young international talent.

I'm not mad we're starting to do it too. The best way I can think of it is that it might be something that can keep us competitive with, or even give us an edge versus, the highest spending clubs in the world.
 
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