Several people are definitely arguing that’s why you can’t sign both.Jeeez, mate......
No-one said it IS happening.
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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)
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Old Tweet, but interesting take on our squad needs.
How are we doing?
GK
Creative 8
1v1 dribbler at LW
CB1 - buildup conductor
CB2 - quick aerial dominator
Personally think biggest need is that CB2 profile. Dier, Romero, Lenglet all lacking aerially and in recovery pace. Whereas Romero (and Lenglet) does at least have buildup qualities.
I think of someone like Chris Smalling as a good fit for that CB2 profile. So, are Tapsoba/VDV/Toisin right for what we need? I'm not sure. I just hope Ange and our recruitment team have a really clear idea of what they want.
Romero is decent in the air (top 25% in the Prem) and also quick for a CB.
How do we know what VdV wants?
What makes you think it’s Levy’s priority rather than Ange’s? Was the GK Levy’s top priority or do you think the recruitment / football management side have some say in this.
Maybe, it’s simply about which deal is easier given the players, the agents and the selling club.
Maybe it’s about which deals have other external pressures such as a rival breathing down our neck.
You’re basically speculating.
We don't, that is precisely the point being made.
Putting up "potential" scenario's is just opening up possibilities for debate.
I’m fully speculating.
My speculation is that Maddison was a priority for Levy because he’s wanted him for a while.
Ange sounds like he’s keen as well.
Maddison is a good signing and they all made sure it happened
Exactly.
I’m arguing against against the potential that VDV won’t come if we also sign Tapsoba.
Old Tweet, but interesting take on our squad needs.
How are we doing?
GK
Creative 8
1v1 dribbler at LW
CB1 - buildup conductor
CB2 - quick aerial dominator
Personally think biggest need is that CB2 profile. Dier, Romero, Lenglet all lacking aerially and in recovery pace. Whereas Romero (and Lenglet) does at least have buildup qualities.
I think of someone like Chris Smalling as a good fit for that CB2 profile. So, are Tapsoba/VDV/Toisin right for what we need? I'm not sure. I just hope Ange and our recruitment team have a really clear idea of what they want.
Except we don’t need to sell anyone to afford two centre backs. We need to sell players to make room.
We don't - that's exactly the point that I and others have made to you many, many times. Geez, I've even said in the post you are responding to 'if Vdv thinks x' and 'if Vdv thinks y' - indicating that we don't know what VdV wants, and obviously what he wants will impact whether or not he would want to sign.
If VdV is happy to sign with Tapsoba signing too, then great.
If Vdv isn't happy to sign on that basis, then we won't be signing both.
None of us know VdV's mind, so we have no idea which of the above is true, but both are plausible. I really don't understand what it is about this that you're struggling to get mate. :/
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As you are of course entitled to do, give your opinion - but it is only that, an opinion. You think VdV will want to sign if Tapsoba signs too, others (many others it seems) are open to the possibility that VdV might not want to come on that basis. It's just a possibility, no one has said it is definitely the case, just that it might be a contributing factor to us not signing both.
Old Tweet, but interesting take on our squad needs.
How are we doing?
GK
Creative 8
1v1 dribbler at LW
CB1 - buildup conductor
CB2 - quick aerial dominator
Personally think biggest need is that CB2 profile. Dier, Romero, Lenglet all lacking aerially and in recovery pace. Whereas Romero (and Lenglet) does at least have buildup qualities.
I think of someone like Chris Smalling as a good fit for that CB2 profile. So, are Tapsoba/VDV/Toisin right for what we need? I'm not sure. I just hope Ange and our recruitment team have a really clear idea of what they want.
You hope Ange has a really clear idea of what he wants???? Why on earth would Ange not?
I have absolutely no doubt that we wil get in at least 2 CBs before the new season.
I will be hugely disappointed (and a little surprised) if one of those isn’t one of our two top targets and in before pre-season.
I will also be hugely disappointed (and surprised) if the second (and only other) permanent signing is Lenglet.
Given our finish last year and our slide in general, I don’t think even Danny is dumb enough to put a 2 billion pound asset in the hands of Lenglet, Davinson and Dier.
As it is, I lean towards ENIC out — despite what the wankers here think — failure to address the defense will put me staunchly in that camp.
Because things have happened before doesn't mean we mustn't try to improve.
I think in this case VDV for example is captain of under 21 of his national team suggesting he has a good attitude.
Regarding game time Romero has never had more than 30 league starts in a season since he became a senior player. That's 10 starts(including 2 cup games)for VDV already and Tapsoba has winter tournament so more starts for VDV. That's without any other rotation that might occur, Game time really won't be an issue.
Tapsoba himself has only one season where he started more than 30 league games(32)
Obviously I'm just using them two as examples because of the latest links
Pre season has started and everyone is back on the 12th apart from Skipp and still no new centre backs. Ideally we want them in to go on the tour and be integrated and know exactly what the manager wants from them. There is absolutely no chance we have two in place by the time they fly out next week.
Only if you insist on highly contentious use of such terms (see below).....
They weren't "replacements"... They were "squad" players.
(*Winks less so than Sissoko, granted; as Poch loved him and didn't even drop him when we did bring TN & GLC in.... But as I already pointed out Winks was still considered a bit of a player back in 17 & 18.)
Surely you're not of this gymnastic mindset where as soon squad-players are called upon to supplement injury etc. they're no longer to be considered squad players and should suddenly be criticised on the basis of having first XI status.....????
We (eg) bought Aurier to "replace" Walker.
We bought Ndombele to "replace" Dembele.
We bought Vicario to "replace" Lloris.
By your reckoning here we bought Forster to "replace" Lloris just because circumstances led to him having an extended stint in the starting XI.
He suffered a big knee injury (having 2 lengthy spells on the sidelines) and - as I literally just said - when he eventually returned and it was time to prove himself once again in 18/19; he couldn't.... And the squad players (HW & MS) bridged the gap until the summer.
We were still to be considered a damn good team in 17/18 (Let's not pretend otherwise!) and had a good league finish (77 points... 7 points higher than our so-called title challenge in 15/16!) and a good CL run despite playing away from home all season......... Battering Liverpool, Real Madrid & BVB at Wembley and a seriously impressive game away to Juve + reaching an FA Cup semi (which was OUR trophy to win that season and we blew it!).
.........All that despite missing big players from the prev. season for significant spells (Rose, Kane, Wanyama).
Absolute lies.
Paul O'Keefe has said that we are only looking to sign one of Tapsoba and VdV, but we are still looking to sign more than one CB.
It's a fair assumption that the reason we can't get both are budgetary, as the second CB we are reportedly interested in is Tosin, who will be considerably cheaper than both Tapsoba and VdV.
The idea that either Tapsoba or VdV wouldn't be interested if the other is bought is far fetched.
Looks like it’s a Wolfsburg ‘content creator’.
Going to wait to see if it’s confirmed by a more reliable source. Can someone check what Hercules has to say??