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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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scarletjim said:
As I say, maybe we did, maybe we didn't - neither you nor I know. But if we did - and we might have, it makes sense - then that would be a legitimate reason for not going after Tapsoba.

There is a huge difference between having no competition for places, and signing a player who starts in a position, then signing another player expecting to oust him from that starting place just 2 weeks later. Of course competition for places is good, but a). you can't make a player sign, and b). it makes no sense to go back on what was said to a new signing just 2 weeks after he has signed.
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You keep talking about 'starting' this is ill-conceived. Players start on form . Our record signing does not start for us. VDV has played one game. The idea he has the position sewn up is frankly silly. Players train take instruction and the ones best able to provide the coaches requirements are picked. I think it's highly unlikely VDV or any player was signed by this coach and told they would not be asked to compete for a place. Secondly Ange has made it clear he wants another centerback, that's not Philips from Blackburn, and most obviously Edmund Tapsoba is right footed. So he is not the like for like VDV cover you seem to think. Romero lasted 11 mins Saturday and the way he plays the game we 100% need another central defender.
 
JDefoe said:
Yeah he gets Woolwich stuff idk how but he does. I mean, it probably is true.

The thing is that, we may have enquired, but that means fuck all. An inquiry will just end with them saying he’s not on sale or they’d demand like £65m for him which is obviously a joke.

It won’t happen.
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Based on his recent tweet, Woolwich also need to sell to buy and Timber is maybe done for the season.

actually think they may have a bit of panic setting in behind the scenes and Bogeyrun is the one they think they can milk the most out of.

Most likely explanation imo is that his source at the club has been giving that news out as a leak to try and flush other buyers out that want to pay what they are asking.

It won't be us giving them 50m
 
Richard Arlison said:
Based on his recent tweet, Woolwich also need to sell to buy and Timber is maybe done for the season.

actually think they may have a bit of panic setting in behind the scenes and Bogeyrun is the one they think they can milk the most out of.

Most likely explanation imo is that his source at the club has been giving that news out as a leak to try and flush other buyers out that want to pay what they are asking.

It won't be us giving them 50m
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It's a pity he's at Woolwich tbh, actually wouldn't mind having him here, looked very good on loan last season. Surprised they want to get rid tbh, higher ceiling than N'ketiah definitely for my money.
 
Notabadsquad said:
Only works for me if we are bringing players in.

No smoke at present.
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Richard Arlison said:
Agree.

Not sure I'd want to pay anyone 50m for him though.

Will be the USA starting #9 for years tho so has marketing value. Levy will probably be the most aware of that.
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Thats the market, I'd say it represents fair value bearing in mind he is classed as home grown. If Gent want £30m for Orban I'd say the extra £20m for Balogun at least comes with the assurance he can do it in a much better standard of league. He's come up through their academy though and been there years, chances are he won't want to come here any more than they want to sell him to us.
 
kingdawson said:
he's actually choosing Spammers over Brighton?
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If you have seen his quotes in the past and comments about him, he doesnt care, he is using either to get recognition in a better league and will be Foxtrott Offski within 2 seasons to big club. He could do damage at both in a good way and gets his move, he knows he aint winning shit with either its a stepping stone or pebble in the hammer case
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
You keep talking about 'starting' this is ill-conceived. Players start on form . Our record signing does not start for us. VDV has played one game. The idea he has the position sewn up is frankly silly. Players train take instruction and the ones best able to provide the coaches requirements are picked. I think it's highly unlikely VDV or any player was signed by this coach and told they would not be asked to compete for a place. Secondly Ange has made it clear he wants another centerback, that's not Philips from Blackburn, and most obviously Edmund Tapsoba is right footed. So he is not the like for like VDV cover you seem to think. Romero lasted 11 mins Saturday and the way he plays the game we 100% need another central defender.
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I never said tht VDV 'has the position sewn up' at all, or won't 'be asked to compete for a place'. If you go back and read what I said, he may have been basically told that, given the other CBs at the club, he'll be starting against Brentford, and the place is his to lose. That is completely different to having the position 'sewn up' or not having to fight for it going forward. However that would be completely undermined by us signing another 'expected to start' CB a fortnight later. VDV might have signed on the basis that we weren't planning to sign another top CB this summer. (Incidentally, can you think of any example, ever, where another club has signed 2 'likely to start' £40m+ CBs within a few weeks of each other when they already have one who is deemed competent and expected to stay?).

With regard to your second point, I agree it makes more sense to sign someone to challenge for Romero's place, but I doubt that we would want to lay out that amount of money for 3 players knowing that we will only ever start 2 of them - I just think we would see that money better spent elsewhere. By all means bring in someone else (Tosin for example, if he actually wanted to come...) - but not a player who would absolutely smash our record transfer fee when we have needs elsewhere.

Ultimately I guess it doesn't actually matter what you think, nor indeed what I think. If VDV and Tapsoba think like you, then no problem, let's sign Tapsoba. However if they think like me, and numerous others on here, then that is good reason not to sign Tapsoba now that we have VDV.
 
Mostly wrong said:
Thats the market, I'd say it represents fair value bearing in mind he is classed as home grown. If Gent want £30m for Orban I'd say the extra £20m for Balogun at least comes with the assurance he can do it in a much better standard of league. He's come up through their academy though and been there years, chances are he won't want to come here any more than they want to sell him to us.
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Yeah, it's probably a tough call to make between Orban for 30m with more potential or this gooner for 50m but slightly more certain.

I'd weigh that against the squad balance behind signing either. For me, a younger striker like the Wahi kid or Orban made sense because they come in knowing they are behind the established players like Richy and Son to begin with. That's a positive motivation for the new kid and for the established players being pushed by a youngster.


Maybe Bolargin would come in and expect to start??
If we are bringing in a guy to start, it should probably be on the level of Lautaro Martinez or Vlahovic. Neither my personal choices but you get what I'm saying?
 
scarletjim said:
I never said tht VDV 'has the position sewn up' at all, or won't 'be asked to compete for a place'. If you go back and read what I said, he may have been basically told that, given the other CBs at the club, he'll be starting against Brentford, and the place is his to lose. That is completely different to having the position 'sewn up' or not having to fight for it going forward. However that would be completely undermined by us signing another 'expected to start' CB a fortnight later. VDV might have signed on the basis that we weren't planning to sign another top CB this summer. (Incidentally, can you think of any example, ever, where another club has signed 2 'likely to start' £40m+ CBs within a few weeks of each other when they already have one who is deemed competent and expected to stay?).

With regard to your second point, I agree it makes more sense to sign someone to challenge for Romero's place, but I doubt that we would want to lay out that amount of money for 3 players knowing that we will only ever start 2 of them - I just think we would see that money better spent elsewhere. By all means bring in someone else (Tosin for example, if he actually wanted to come...) - but not a player who would absolutely smash our record transfer fee when we have needs elsewhere.

Ultimately I guess it doesn't actually matter what you think, nor indeed what I think. If VDV and Tapsoba think like you, then no problem, let's sign Tapsoba. However if they think like me, and numerous others on here, then that is good reason not to sign Tapsoba now that we have VDV.
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Does all that mean you don't think we need to sign another CB this transfer window? A concise and short reply will suffice.
 
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