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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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So a week on from the Kane sale and nothing seems close. 2 weeks to go and so much to do.

Shambles really.

This sell to buy thing is such a cop out. Get the players in that are needed for your new manager to succeed.

If no one wants to buy our dross I'm sure we can loan them somewhere and save on wages.

Maybe there are a couple that refuse to go out on loan so banish them to train with the kids. (I don't think we have those types of characters anyway).

The opportunity cost of not giving Ange what he needs is way higher than swallowing the wages of a couple of the deadwood for a season.

Such short-term thinking to not act.
 
I'm not talking about a broader attempt to establish an income stream; just addressing a predicament to minimise any loss and/or maximise the outcome from a player that suddenly it appears we don't have a use for,

We could ad 20% for example (CP were happy to do so for Eze)... There's nothing to say it couldn't be even higher still..... There are no rules per say.

eg:

15m +25% sell on >>>>>>> Eventually CP sell for 40m... We get 10m and Palace still double their money..... Or we can buy back at 30m and Palace are still doubling their outlay.

..........Or if he doesn't become a start; CP just end up with a RB worth roughly what they paid.

I'd say that would be agreeable to all parties.
It's always better than nothing, on the whole though I'd prefer just inserting reasonable buy backs, I suppose there's a fine line there though in that if it's too low the buying club would feel less incentive to develop the player knowing that it's just a glorified loan if the player kicks on.

In isolation (hypothetically) getting £4m from a £40m transfer just doesn't feel like much of a win to me, if you couple it with a reasonable base fee in the first place then it's more like it, but it feels like we resort to it in cases where we're struggling to offload a player and it's just a case of clawing back something in the absence of a half decent fee (eg Edwards). In that kind of case the sell on fee has to be really big to make it a decent payday down the line.

Anyway, in a nutshell, I can't see anyone giving us close to what we paid for Spence, so if we're going to go down the sell on clause route I should hope it's a whopping %.
 
I just dont understand what is going on, it is utterly bizarre. We are setting the manager up to fail. If we have a bad start and they sack him then the fans wont be against the manager this time.
If the club do not bring in a proven goal scorer to replace Kane before the window ends, I honestly think they will have failed Ange on the same if not bigger scale than they fucked Ramos over when we sold Berbatov and Keane.

Richarlison is not and will never be the answer.

Gift Orban is also not the answer. Sign him sure, but sign him as Sons back up (and potentially eventual replacement) as a wide forward, not as a replacement for our best ever striker.
Regardless of how anyone spins it, Orban is a punt and we simply cannot rely on a punt to replace even a fraction of Kanes goals.
 
Well I'm not convinced by Richarlison, even as far back as when he played for Everton, Son has been off form since our pre season to Korea last year, and Kulesevski has been quite poor apart from his first six months when he arrived from Jueventus. So I'm adding the Brentford game to that.

Were talking about players that have all ranged from good to excellent in the not too distant past...... Assuming they can't adapt to the new managers vastly different system after one game is as I said; folly and at the very least rash.

Have you studied Ange enough to know the finer points of his system......? Are you seeing what he does in training...... The things that he presumably sees that makes him believes they CAN do what he asks?

Have you studied (eg) Orban enough to know that he would drop straight in and succeed - or at least score more than Rich or Son - after one game? .....If he doesn't; how many games do we give him before dropping him and going back to the well all over again.



Would I like to see at least one more attacking player brought in before the end of the window; yes...... But that's a seperate discussion to the questions above?
 
City move for Paqueta apparently off. You'd imagine this raises the chances of then pushing through the Doku deal, and I wonder if it makes them turn to Eze. Profiles very similarly to Grealish but with more goalscoring ability and (to this point) less ball retention.

If they get Doku instead of Paq why would that in turn make them more likely to sign Eze?
 
The excuse next week will be that we couldnt get our targets, because the buying clubs couldnt tee up replacements, as it is too late in the window. All because we have been too slow sorting things out.

Can see it coming a mile off. Part of the problem was highlighted in the Athletic the other day

It should also be pointed out that a club’s reputation can have a big effect on how easy or hard it is to sell players. (...) it’s amazing how different perceptions are of players when they’re at a club deemed to be a good place for them to develop. (He refers to how Man City can receive good money for their fringe players). And the opposite can be true — as Spurs have demonstrated. Tottenham’s struggles over recent years make it even harder to sell unwanted players because there’s no real sense from prospective buyers that it’s been a place where individuals have been well coached or picked up good habits. Until this perception changes and until big contracts that were handed out pre-Covid expire, selling players will remain a particularly acute problem for Spurs.
Two weeks today the window shuts isn't it.
I think there will be chat that, we are still looking/waiting, but it will be the usual story, that we tried so sorry line.
The team needs three key players we know that, we also know he probably won't get what he wants or needs.
 
The excuse next week will be that we couldnt get our targets, because the buying clubs couldnt tee up replacements, as it is too late in the window. All because we have been too slow sorting things out.

Can see it coming a mile off. Part of the problem was highlighted in the Athletic the other day

It should also be pointed out that a club’s reputation can have a big effect on how easy or hard it is to sell players. (...) it’s amazing how different perceptions are of players when they’re at a club deemed to be a good place for them to develop. (He refers to how Man City can receive good money for their fringe players). And the opposite can be true — as Spurs have demonstrated. Tottenham’s struggles over recent years make it even harder to sell unwanted players because there’s no real sense from prospective buyers that it’s been a place where individuals have been well coached or picked up good habits. Until this perception changes and until big contracts that were handed out pre-Covid expire, selling players will remain a particularly acute problem for Spurs.
EXACTLY. hiring these win-now scorched earth coaches affects this.

Bentaleb, Mason, Caulker, Townsend. Carroll, Livermore = £57mil

Wimmer turned from 4 mil to £18mil.
 
Links mean nothing until they happen.

The clue is on the word..... No-one's claimed that links/rumours are 'outcomes'.

Never-the-less; why moan about the absence of them then (despite the fact that there was some)?

Also: "Links mean nothing until they happen."

The same could be said for your fears of deliberate sabotage... Not that you'll ever be able to substantiate any such deliberate intent anyway.
 
Wouldn't be surprised to see club PR links to a "sensational" signing tonight or tomorrow morning. Protests tomorrow they will want to placate some of the noise.

Poor Ange hasn't even had his "Warchest" stories.
 
So a week on from the Kane sale and nothing seems close. 2 weeks to go and so much to do.

Shambles really.

This sell to buy thing is such a cop out. Get the players in that are needed for your new manager to succeed.

If no one wants to buy our dross I'm sure we can loan them somewhere and save on wages.

Maybe there are a couple that refuse to go out on loan so banish them to train with the kids. (I don't think we have those types of characters anyway).

The opportunity cost of not giving Ange what he needs is way higher than swallowing the wages of a couple of the deadwood for a season.

Such short-term thinking to not act.
Same behaviour from the board every season. Such short term thinking hence the bloated squad and the amount of deadwood we need to shift.
 
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