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Bloody loans eh..... Never get counted in the window people want them to be...........

Large swathes of TFC would crucify me for posting loans as cash spent if was Spurs.

Either way, current summer Goon splurge accepted...... (see below)



The reality is that the Arse high spend this season is the anomaly over the last 5 years; "Arse just spent 200m quid" is not an indicator that we're under-spending.

Broader point being that (whilst I agree us finshing the window at £70m net would be underwhelming) whatever Arse decide to do in a one-off window shouldn't be a benchmark for what we're expected to do............. For all we know Kronke locks his wallet away now and it's sell-to-buy for a couple of seasons.

.....That's largely what happened at Liverpool after we were getting a kicking over their spending.

Now look:

Spurs (m/euros):
22/23 in 177.9 out 38.7 = 139.2m
21/22 in 95.9 out 34.6 = 61.3m
20/21 in 110.50 out 13.3 = 97.2m
19/20 in 150.5 out 64.5 = 86m
= €383.7m (net spend) / Avg per season = €95.92m

Liverpool (m/euros):

22/23 in 137.3 out 80.7 = 56.6m
21/22 in 87.0 out 29.5 = 57.5m
20/21 in 84.0 out 17.2 = 66.8m
19/20 in 10.4 out 48.0 = -37.6m
= €143.3m (net spend) / Avg per season = €35.82m

Liverpool are being squeezed by FSG. Not sure why they would be the point of comparison. They could spend a lot more but the yanks in charge are enjoying the profits. The fans are angry, and for good reason.
 
I just gave you the ACTUAL average since then (note fiures are in Euro's so you can knock off a futher 15% for sterling value).
Was explaining my original reasoning.
I concede myself that I don't know what it should be, but I reiterate in the past 4 years, the clubs in our income bracket are spending significantly less than £150m.......
I'm sure it's not simple, I think of the £150m as more of a feasible upper limit over the course of 3-5 years before needing to tighten the belt. If our rivals spend less, it doesn't mean that's the safe upper limit.

Clubs with a lot less revenue than us like Everton, Spam have also spent very similar amounts to us until only 3/4 years ago. Clubs like Villa, Bournemouth, Nottingham forest manage to spend over €100m every now and then, so I expect we should have the capacity to go quite a bit higher.

Also, from the swiss ramble threads I used to read, we consistently have the lowest spend on wages relative to revenue, and our transfer spend isn't much higher either. Whatever the actual true upper limit is, I think it's more than £100m, and probably closer to £150m.
 
Liverpool are being squeezed by FSG. Not sure why they would be the point of comparison. They could spend a lot more but the yanks in charge are enjoying the profits. The fans are angry, and for good reason.

Yes... Yes they are.

Pop back and re-read what I posted re Kronke onwards........ I explained exactly why I referenced them.
 
Bloody loans eh..... Never get counted in the window people want them to be...........

Large swathes of TFC would crucify me for posting loans as cash spent if was Spurs.

Either way, current summer Goon splurge accepted...... (see below)



The reality is that the Arse high spend this season is the anomaly over the last 5 years; "Arse just spent 200m quid" is not an indicator that we're under-spending.

Broader point being that (whilst I agree us finshing the window at £70m net would be underwhelming) whatever Arse decide to do in a one-off window shouldn't be a benchmark for what we're expected to do............. For all we know Kronke locks his wallet away now and it's sell-to-buy for a couple of seasons.

.....That's largely what happened at Liverpool after we were getting a kicking over their spending.

Now look:

Spurs (m/euros):
22/23 in 177.9 out 38.7 = 139.2m
21/22 in 95.9 out 34.6 = 61.3m
20/21 in 110.50 out 13.3 = 97.2m
19/20 in 150.5 out 64.5 = 86m
= €383.7m (net spend) / Avg per season = €95.92m

Liverpool (m/euros):

22/23 in 137.3 out 80.7 = 56.6m
21/22 in 87.0 out 29.5 = 57.5m
20/21 in 84.0 out 17.2 = 66.8m
19/20 in 10.4 out 48.0 = -37.6m
= €143.3m (net spend) / Avg per season = €35.82m

I personally am confused by people who won't look at the rebuild as a net spend over x amount of years, and about the quality of the spend rather than the cost.

People are complaining with how MUCH we spent on Richarlison but I guess it meant we had a huge net spend last season so yay us!

This isn't to knock Richalison, just to reiterate the point.
 
Yes... Yes they are.

Pop back and re-read what I posted re Kronke onwards........ I explained exactly why I referenced them.

It doesn't compare to Kroenke. FSG have never invested in the team nearly as much in terms of net-spend, they relied on sales.

Woolwich might cut down spending at some point but the ambition and willingness to take risks goes beyond what either ENIC or FSG have attempted.
 
I personally am confused by people who won't look at the rebuild as a net spend over x amount of years, and about the quality of the spend rather than the cost.

People are complaining with how MUCH we spent on Richarlison but I guess it meant we had a huge net spend last season so yay us!

This isn't to knock Richalison, just to reiterate the point.

Because there are still big gaps in this squad, still loads of room to really go big/ambitious for a player who could transform the attack, and we've just lost our star & apparently have already replaced him.

If we didn't *need* to spend it wouldn't be an issue. But what we've added to the team just isn't enough.
 
Because there are still big gaps in this squad, still loads of room to really go big/ambitious for a player who could transform the attack, and we've just lost our star & apparently have already replaced him.

If we didn't *need* to spend it wouldn't be an issue. But what we've added to the team just isn't enough.

I don't disagree but that player has to be the right player. United spunked 90m on Anthony..... Woolwich on Pepe, Liverpool on Darwin - Would you be happy if we spent 60+ mill on Johnathan David?

Is there a player you feel we could transform the attack that is available?
 
3 managers in four years has created the deadwood. Different managers, different ideas. Heard were after Jonathan david for 55m. I reckon that will happen if lo celso goes.

Bad buying from 2016 to 2019 and maybe 2020 has caused the deadwood - no player bought bought in those times has been a first team regular for more than a season, best players probably Moura and Sanchez.

Nothing to do with change of managers - just buying bad players.
 
I don't disagree but that player has to be the right player. United spunked 90m on Anthony..... Woolwich on Pepe, Liverpool on Darwin - Would you be happy if we spent 60+ mill on Johnathan David?

Is there a player you feel we could transform the attack that is available?

I don't know what available means. We have PL money so could be testing the waters for a large number of top players.

Doesn't seem like we have at all. How often do teams sell a star and not replace them? Why aren't we trying to go for someone to fill his boots at all?
 
It doesn't compare to Kroenke. FSG have never invested in the team nearly as much in terms of net-spend, they relied on sales.

Woolwich might cut down spending at some point but the ambition and willingness to take risks goes beyond what either ENIC or FSG have attempted.
FSG saw Klopp on the precipice and did whatever it took to complete his squad and push on for glory.

The Kroenke's see Lego Man on the precipice and are doing whatever it takes to complete his squad and push on for glory.

Poch had us performing better and closer to the top than either of them, but ENIC was in a distracted moment with the stadium project, had ideological disagreements with the state of transfer valuations, and so they left the Poch miracle to die.

We're not on the precipice anymore. We don't even have European football. We have finally given up the ghost that we're going to win the 2016 Premier League after all, the fakery around which was destroying the club.

So as it pertains to this coming close of the transfer window, you have to be rational about where the club is and what their short-term ambitions are. This season is about Ange establishing a style of play and bringing the younger assets through and seeing what they have.

But as it pertains to ENIC's ownership of Tottenham Hotspur, we have now closed the final chapter of Daniel Levy's betrayal, failure, and utter abdication of his responsibility as chairman under Poch, for which he deserves neither forgiveness nor forgetting.
 
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It actually may behoove us to just keep the gunpowder dry if £55m for Jonathan David or £50m for Brennan Johnson are really the best deals on offer. Give Richy a chance.

Now obviously this is sub optimal, but panicking and spunking way too much money on back-up options in late August will lead to the same Groundhog Day over and over again, the situation we currently find ourselves in where we have expensive deadwood we need to shift.
 
Was explaining my original reasoning.

I'm sure it's not simple, I think of the £150m as more of a feasible upper limit over the course of 3-5 years before needing to tighten the belt. If our rivals spend less, it doesn't mean that's the safe upper limit.

Which is why, for practicalities sake, I'm talking averages.

Whatever your concept (which is more vague than the terms I"m using); nail it down and throw annual average at me if then compare and see what you make of it. 👍

Clubs with a lot less revenue than us like Everton, Spam have also spent very similar amounts to us until only 3/4 years ago. Clubs like Villa, Bournemouth, Nottingham forest manage to spend over €100m every now and then

With all respect I'm not going down the 'Up until 3/4 years" ago path......... Why? Big concrete thingy on the high road explains why we spent less on players some seasons than some poorer teams........ (....And Everton? They took a huge shit over themselves. They are not help to any sensible argument).

, so I expect we should have the capacity to go quite a bit higher.

Well, we have had £100m+ season last season (over £150m if you include Kulu & Porro fees); again which is why talking averages rather than one-off windows makes practical sense in the convo were having.

Also, from the swiss ramble threads I used to read, we consistently have the lowest spend on wages relative to revenue, and our transfer spend isn't much higher either. Whatever the actual true upper limit is, I think it's more than £100m, and probably closer to £150m.

Wages is a new conversation with it's own relationship to player purchases.... Do you have the energy for that right now? I"m not sure I do.
 
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