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So the fee was reported as 60M euros.

Declan Rice was just sold for 105M pounds

Are you saying one of those reported fees includes agent fees, signing on fees, etc,(Rice) while the other (Haaland) doesn't?

Or are you saying that Declan Rice really is worth 40-50 million more than Haaland?

Regardless of what the fee actually ended up being, we can only go based off of what's reported (unless you have links documenting those other fees), and in a world where Rice goes for over 100M quid, Haaland is easily worth 125+ at a minimum IMO.

There's a whole back-story to Haaland.

Release clauses, massive massive wages etc. etc. His agents have been calling the tune at every step of his career.
 
I actually like Johnson, good PL player, great athlete, very direct. Harvey Barnes level player, which isn't bad as squad depth. Not sure why we'd be targeting him now tbh, I do think we need pace and power, but not much in his skillset makes me think his signing helps us bridge the gap to top clubs.
 
There's a whole back-story to Haaland.

Release clauses, massive massive wages etc. etc. His agents have been calling the tune at every step of his career.
Neymar Inc. will secure more money for their player's services over the course of his career than Haaland Inc. will.

But Haaland will become generationally wealthy just as surely, and experience and look back on his footballing career with much more satisfaction.

The Haaland crew is reinventing the game, they are just the beginning.
 
They will absolutely be banned from Europe if found in violation of FFP, and the idea that there's some double-secret Saudi intervention that would prevent that is laughable internet-brain.

I see exactly what Boehly is up to here. I am Mindhunter for halfwit American finance doofuses.
Only one club has ever been banned in Europe from breaking FFP, Galatasaray in 2016.

I think they know exactly what they are doing, just as Leicester did to gain entry to PL which gave them £100m extra revenue, The settlement they negotiated for breaking FFP that enabled their promotion? £3m! 100% worth it as a cost of business.
 
Neymar Inc. will secure more money for their player's services over the course of his career than Haaland Inc. will.

But Haaland will become generationally wealthy just as surely, and experience and look back on his footballing career with much more satisfaction.

The Haaland crew is reinventing the game, they are just the beginning.

I dunno what Raola's crew stand to make; but I was just alluding to the fact everything's mapped out and the clubs are just dancing to their tune.

TBH, if this is the way it goes and the fees get driven right down and we see an increase in the amount of release clauses then so be it; it will save a lot of bollocks.
 
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This is such a strange hang-up people have.

The agents fees for Haaland were widely reported as an unprecedented and ridiculous 34M, on top of the 51M owed to Dortmund for the release clause.

In theory that added payment should be considered as part of the transfer expenditure, though reportedly half of it went to Haaland's father, so that bit might be more properly categorized as a signing on bonus, which seems like it would clearly fall on the wages/player payment side of the ledger.

That still takes it up to only 85M.

Haaland cost City less than Kane cost Bayern.

But it's very important to some people to bullshit their way to that having secretly been the financial equivalent of the Neymar to PSG deal or what the Saudis were offering Messi or something.

The reality that Haaland is choosing his career path very intelligently and carefully and that while major investment was required, City won the rights to Haaland at well below the potential market price because of Haaland's faith in the Guardiola project (he reportedly has a release clause which activates if Pep goes).

That offends the delicate sensibilites of people who want sovereign wealth to be the omnipotent evil overlord of the football world, I guess.

Sorry folks, sovereign wealth sucks, but life is complicated.
The figure I had in my head included wages now I've done some googling, so you're correct its still pretty cheap. Still more expensive than the widely reported number. What a transfer costs a club =/= the transfer fee always was the point.

So the fee was reported as 60M euros.

Declan Rice was just sold for 105M pounds

Are you saying one of those reported fees includes agent fees, signing on fees, etc,(Rice) while the other (Haaland) doesn't?

Or are you saying that Declan Rice really is worth 40-50 million more than Haaland?

Regardless of what the fee actually ended up being, we can only go based off of what's reported (unless you have links documenting those other fees), and in a world where Rice goes for over 100M quid, Haaland is easily worth 125+ at a minimum IMO.
I'm saying the fee was much higher than reported. Even if both excluded agents fees and signing bonuses, you think a team paying 100m+ for Rice is gonna pay the same extras that a team paying 65m for Haaland will?
 
The figure I had in my head included wages now I've done some googling, so you're correct its still pretty cheap. Still more expensive than the widely reported number. What a transfer costs a club =/= the transfer fee always was the point.
That's fair, but the problem remains we don't really know what those other fees are right?
I'm saying the fee was much higher than reported. Even if both excluded agents fees and signing bonuses, you think a team paying 100m+ for Rice is gonna pay the same extras that a team paying 65m for Haaland will?
I don't know what extras they're going to pay, but typically agent's fees are based off percentages no?

Honestly not trying to argue here, but while the fee reported for Haaland is likely much less than what they actually spent, I still think it's pretty easy to see they got him for far less than market value.
 
Something interesting about Johnson - we’ve been wondering why data-led clubs like Brentford Chelsea and us have landed on him as a target despite his disappointing fbref stats

Well, 3 statistics where he leads the PL below:
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Seems to me that, if the article about Ange and Gabbiani working together is true, maybe one of the request was a direct winger who can run with the ball at speed, who is a big threat in behind the defense, and can chip in with goals and assists from out wide. And crucially he’s someone who makes a lot of off ball runs to open up space and stretch the defense.

The Johnson profile actually does seem like a good fit for the team on paper. It’s just that the further you get away from the pitch the better he looks, and that always worries me in a player.
 
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