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ElTel said:
If ndombele says he is happy to stay then of course he will just keep receiving the salary he is on. In that case there is no reason for the club to just pay him off and let him also leave for free. That's a win win for Ndombele which is unacceptable....... If he won't negotiate a proper settlement which is much less than the 20 mill then the club will find him a club to go out on loan to like they did with Napoli.
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That would be the preferable measure anyway from a financial point of view.

....However it shouldn't be taken for granted at this stage of the window cos there's currently no signs of that happening.
 
Matt1882 said:
FFS!!!!
You keep repeating it and you don't take it in.
You don't keep them around the club. You pay them their salary on a weekly/monthly basis and you tell them they're not to come to work. Stay away. YOU may think they're stinking up the club but in truth, they're nowhere near it.
They can either accept that or they can find a new club and that means we don't have to pay them millions in wages to play for some one else.

There is absolutely no fucking way in any parallel universe that we are paying a player and terminating their contract. The closest we will come is a free transfer whereby we don't have to pay their salary.
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How do you keep them away from the club? Stop them from using the facilities?
For example, Ndombele is still turning up when he feels like it,
He’s not been told to stay at home and watch MOTD.
To prevent him from doing what he’s paid to do (train-allegedly) it’s constructive dismissal.
He hasn’t actually done enough to get sacked for breaching his part of the contract (or he would have been sacked by now) and you can’t make him stay at home. You can make him train with the kids and not give him a squad number, but you won’t force someone like him out of the club through professional pride. Someone will pick him up for nothing at the end of his contract (good luck to them) so by having these bad smells around the club is just delaying the inevitable in my view.
He can waltz in and out of Spurs lodge “keeping fit in case” and I don’t believe that’s a positive influence either. Training with the kids? Would you want him anywhere near the academy with his attitude? I’m sure that we wouldn’t want future prospects learning from his lackadaisical and undisciplined approach.
 
Airfixx said:
That would be the preferable measure anyway from a financial point of view.

....However it shouldn't be taken for granted at this stage of the window cos there's currently no signs of that happening.
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I think that people at the club cannot come to terms that their record signing has been such a disaster. The transfer fee, the wages, and absolutely nothing in return on the pitch. They want to recoup some money back by selling him for a decent fee but it's not going to happen and until they come to this realisation they won't be able to even entertain the thought of negotiating a settlement with him and allowing him to leave on a free transfer.
 
JDefoe said:
Yes, it does need visual back-up, and that’s where I’m falling a little short on him. I want to believe good things about Johnson. I am generally of the opinion that our recruitment team under Paratici and Gabbiani has a well-thought out, defensible plan, and I want to try to decipher what they’re seeing.

And I see a profile that likely checks a lot of boxes. It’s an unfinished profile but pace, ball carrying, obvious directness both in going at defenders&running in behind, and high output of shots and crosses to touches, I’m sure it lights up a lot of boards. He probably looks like a homeless man’s Kylian Mbappe on their data profiling. Which is exciting but also kind of concerning, because that’s also the Theo Walcott profile.

he’s a bit more than OK, not bad, but I think more of the eye test is needed with him, because he’d be bought to be a decisive player with an elite final ball… and I’m not sure if he truly has that in him.

The top wingers have what I call three-level-threat a) the short yard threat - they can go by a man in a phone booth, explode by someone in a tight space, with practiced and intentional skill, b) the mid level threat - they can beat a fullback with space in behind, they can dart into the box from wide, they can play a deft cross from the edge of the box, they can finish off cutbacks and on breakaways, etc. and c) long range threat - they can be a creative outlet with brilliant crosses from 30 yards away, they can stretch a defense from their own half, they can hit long shots and play cross field long balls.

He’s a great mid level threat player imo. But he lacks the top ball striking and long range threat that makes a Son or Perisic so special, as well as the short range threat that makes a Doku go to City for £60m. He actually reminds me a lot of Walcott, Azza, and also of Dele in that their skill is sort of limited to medium length stuff. They can scuff finishes in, play great passes across the box, they can beat one man wide, but they haven’t got the full toolkit that top European wingers have, both in terms of ball striking for crossing and finishing from distance, and in terms of short range beating a man. It’s a very English affliction.
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Good stuff. Informative. Thanks.
 
Shadydan said:
No and there's a good reason why clubs don't just 'rip up' contracts for the sake of it, it's the same for every club, not just ours.

You bring up Woolwich yet you don't care for the reason why they did what you did...ok then, if you actually cared you'd probably understand what the difference is between that scenario and this, seeing as you're so keen to refence Woolwich they sent 5 players to go and train in the reserves this week and are holding out for a transfer fee for them, how comes you haven't mentioned that?
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Because I don’t pay that much attention to them?
Will they get a transfer fee for any of them?
I couldn’t even tell you who they are without googling it & wouldn’t waste time finding out.
 
Boltonspur said:
How do you keep them away from the club? Stop them from using the facilities?
For example, Ndombele is still turning up when he feels like it,
He’s not been told to stay at home and watch MOTD.
To prevent him from doing what he’s paid to do (train-allegedly) it’s constructive dismissal.
He hasn’t actually done enough to get sacked for breaching his part of the contract (or he would have been sacked by now) and you can’t make him stay at home. You can make him train with the kids and not give him a squad number, but you won’t force someone like him out of the club through professional pride. Someone will pick him up for nothing at the end of his contract (good luck to them) so by having these bad smells around the club is just delaying the inevitable in my view.
He can waltz in and out of Spurs lodge “keeping fit in case” and I don’t believe that’s a positive influence either. Training with the kids? Would you want him anywhere near the academy with his attitude? I’m sure that we wouldn’t want future prospects learning from his lackadaisical and undisciplined approach.
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Have you never heard of gardening leave?

Am I in a world where someone doesn't understand that an employer is well within their rights to tell an employee to stay away?

It is as simple as that. The club say to the player "you're not in the squad, you're not allowed to make use of the squad facilities, don't come to work, you'll receive full (basic) pay"

If the player won't sign for another club, this is the only solution. Under no circumstances should we throw a fuck ton of money at them and release them. That's an even worse financial decision than signing the useless twats in the first place.
 
ElTel said:
I think that people at the club cannot come to terms that their record signing has been such a disaster. The transfer fee, the wages, and absolutely nothing in return on the pitch. They want to recoup some money back by selling him for a decent fee but it's not going to happen and until they come to this realisation they won't be able to even entertain the thought of negotiating a settlement with him and allowing him to leave on a free transfer.
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It's a theory, but one that largely misses the point.... More immediately plausible is the reports that he's turning his nose up at loans; loans that in previous seasons we've been pepared to indulge cos it saves us money on his fat wages.

You've still yet to explain what the motivation for letting him leave with 20m in his pocket is.
 
Fattynomates said:
Appears i have been miss-informed, cant be bothered to go back and find the post ! Shame we cant just send all our Duds to Wrexham or something though
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The football world is mental and so far removed from the real world it fees like total reform is needed.
I'll keep using it as an example but managers - in what other industry can you wake up one morning and decide you hate your job, so the only logical thing to do is act like a dick for a few months to get sacked. And by getting sacked, you pocket millions?
In the real world it's the complete opposite - you get sacked you don't get paid, you get a bad rep and you may even have to pay back expenses.


As for players - clubs can refuse to sell them and players can refuse to leave. It's so weird.
 
ElTel said:
If ndombele says he is happy to stay then of course he will just keep receiving the salary he is on. In that case there is no reason for the club to just pay him off and let him also leave for free. That's a win win for Ndombele which is unacceptable....... If he won't negotiate a proper settlement which is much less than the 20 mill then the club will find him a club to go out on loan to like they did with Napoli.
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You can't force Ndombele to go anywhere to which he does not consent

And at the moment he may think sitting and doing nothing at Spurs is his best option - so he might give up his bloated contract for say £15m/£16m (paid up front) otherwise he's happy enough to receive almost a million a month.
 
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