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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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Could we though?

I cant think of a purchase in the old WHL similar to him - 3/4th best creative mid in the league over the last few seasons.

Yeah of fucking course we could have signed Maddison when we were in the old WHL under Poch. The only competition was Newcastle who have literally only just started their 'journey'.
 
Agree, but Gio was not a record signing, thankfully. Romero perhaps, but 100% NDombele was our first attempt at “current world class” level signing, at £60m and 200k wages, we utterly shat the bed.

€60m (£55.3m) fee so Lo Celso still about our 3rd highest signing I think.

 
You're basing your scouting entirely on a goal count, so...
I mean it wasn't difficult to wikipedia how many goals Johnson scored last season and how many goals Nico Williams scored last season..

The reasoning of 'It's because he's better' is hardly backing up the point of why Nico Williams is a 'level' above Johnson...? When the most basic of stat proves that he isn't.
 
I can definitely appreciate the sentiment too but I think people get way too bogged down in the idea that price has a correlation to footballing worth. It just doesn't in these modern times where prices and wages are completely skewed by clubs that are willing to pay stupid amounts of money for what amounts to a bit of PR and feel good factor.
I guess where I'd push back is that I think as time moves forward the correlation between transfer fee and footballing worth gets stronger, but the correlation between "marquee" and both footballing worth and transfer fee gets weaker.

Chelsea signed Moises Caicedo for 100M and NGolo Kante walked away on a free.
 
I guess where I'd push back is that I think as time moves forward the correlation between transfer fee and footballing worth gets stronger, but the correlation between "marquee" and both footballing worth and transfer fee gets weaker.

Chelsea signed Moises Caicedo for 100M and NGolo Kante walked away on a free.


Yeah I think that is a good way to put it actually.
 
€60m (£55.3m) fee so Lo Celso still about our 3rd highest signing I think.

Think we brought it down, by early exercise, to £42m odd. And, only about half NDombeles wages.

Awful value still, but not in the price range of Man City signings at that time, was all the point I was trying to make, he was top of tier 2 - how we have often shopped.
 
So for only twice as much as he should be going for then? Surprised we are still using these negotiating methods but I guess they've borne fruit in the past...

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...but not at a discounted rate.

Yes, but this seems to be the going rate in the current market. Whether we'd bought him yesterday or it goes to deadline day, I don't really care. He wasn't gonna start against Burnley either how

I believe Johnson will be a great fit for our style of play and a nice upgrade on Kulu
 
I mean it wasn't difficult to wikipedia how many goals Johnson scored last season and how many goals Nico Williams scored last season..

The reasoning of 'It's because he's better' is hardly backing up the point of why Nico Williams is a 'level' above Johnson...? When the most basic of stat proves that he isn't.

Brennan Johnson coring more goals than Williams proves nothing other than he scored more goals.

Quick glance at other stats shows that Williams is in a much higher percentile for chance creation, makes far more crosses, has a better cross success rate, assists every 600 minutes or so vs every 990 minutes, is in the 99th percentile for successful dribbles (!!) vs Johnson in 75th percentile, and weirdly enough also looks much better defensively .. if that's your thing.

None of which even means he's better. I haven't watched enough of him to say. But "Johnson scored more goals" isn't exactly compelling when it looks like Williams is being used as a more traditional ball carrier/creative wide player, which is generally what it seems like Ange wants.
 
Think we brought it down, by early exercise, to £42m odd. And, only about half NDombeles wages.

Awful value still, but not in the price range of Man City signings at that time, was all the point I was trying to make, he was top of tier 2 - how we have often shopped.
And just because I'm a nerd: Boris Johnson became PM a week before that transfer, crashing the pound to historic lows against the euro, though recovering a decent amount by the time we completed the transfer.

Exactly how the forex stuff was handled in that deal makes a not-insignificant difference. Multiple millions, potentially.

I would imagine we can count on Levy and Lewis to have played all of that to their advantage but who knows.
 
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