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Geezergood19 said:
Geezergood19 said:
If a player is from the EU and under 21 he doesnt have to be registered
Udogie will not need to be registered
We will also have Spence back from loan id imagine he will be featuring next season takes HG up by 1 straight away

As for the idea some of you are floating about signing Pickford to improve our HG roster then just have a think what your actually saying is replace Lloris with the English option in goal

No thanks to Pickford

Happy to get 2 GK's
Raya , Oblak or Sanchez
Hincapie
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If a player is from the EU and under 21 he doesnt have to be registered
Udogie will not need to be registered
We will also have Spence back from loan id imagine he will be featuring next season takes HG up by 1 straight away

As for the idea some of you are floating about signing Pickford to improve our HG roster then just have a think what your actually saying is replace Lloris with the English option in goal

No thanks to Pickford

Happy to get 2 GK's
Raya , Oblak or Sanchez
Hincapie
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If a player is from the EU and under 21 he doesnt have to be registered

Almost 100% incorrect. 3 years training from age 15 with a club affiliated to The Football Association for a uefa squad, to The Football Association or Football Association of Wales for PL. Nationality is irrelevant, its all about which club you trained at.

And if the foregoing is correct and you are under 21, then you can play (but under UEFA rules registration is as a List B player)
 
After a number of managers who have not brought many players through the youth system, nor played them enough in the first team, we currently have the following HG situation at the moment :

Club Trained Players
Kane, Skipp, Tanganga, Austin or Whiteman, (4)

Other Association Trained
Sessegnon Forster, Davies (but not UEFA) (3)

Out on loan but coming back at the end of the season are Spence, Winks and Rodon (but not UEFA)

Other than 29 year old Kane and youngster Skipp, I'm not sure any of the others would be regarded as 'must keep'

Its not viable to have a squad just of 17 'Overseas Trained' Players so we need to assume we need to buy one or preferably two HG players in the summer to help get better quality in the HG categories.

Best candidates in terms of quality and playing in positions we need to fill might well be Raya or Sanchez (GK) and Guehi (CB).

After that another CB and ideally a top class forward either as a long term or a short term successor to Son - Danjuma might get there but atm its more sensible to regard him as a potential replacement and upgrade on Moura, but if he's not that good, we might need 2 forwards .

So - GK, 2 CB's and a forward (or two) ..... and after that its a question of availability as to who is brought in and who they replace, so hopefully 6 players in ?

And at least 3 of the players loaned out sold or swapped and 3/4/5 of the current squad upgraded.

Quite a busy window...... and might not be easy if we need to add a manager and/or DOF to that list.
 
Right as Rain said:
Regarding Gvardiol

- Romano said Madrid were following him but no negotiations yet. I think they will also be focused on Mbappe. They also have Rudiger, Alaba and Militão. They are definitely the favourites for him though as Alaba is aging.

- City could also use him but there is so much uncertainty around that club right now, I wonder if they will even try

- Liverpool could use him too and he said he was a fan of them but they might not get Champions League

- Bayern don't need any CBs, but apparently they are interested too

- Chelsea also don't need any more CBs, and Potter said they won't be spending as much as they did these past 2 windows. Might not get UCL either

- Spurs need an LCB upgrade more than all of them. IF we get UCL, and assuming we're still interested even after the 80 million release clause talk, I'd imagine we would have the power to make a bid for him if we really wanted to.

I think it will take an absolute miracle to get this guy ahead of those other clubs but my stance is that he is worth breaking our transfer record for. For me he is far and away the best option available and really is worth double Bastoni's asking price.
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I doubt if we can buy him if he's 80m plus a GK and other players we need.
 
Spursidol said:
After a number of managers who have not brought many players through the youth system, nor played them enough in the first team, we currently have the following HG situation at the moment :

Club Trained Players
Kane, Skipp, Tanganga, Austin or Whiteman, (4)

Other Association Trained
Sessegnon Forster, Davies (but not UEFA) (3)

Out on loan but coming back at the end of the season are Spence, Winks and Rodon (but not UEFA)

Other than 29 year old Kane and youngster Skipp, I'm not sure any of the others would be regarded as 'must keep'

Its not viable to have a squad just of 17 'Overseas Trained' Players so we need to assume we need to buy one or preferably two HG players in the summer to help get better quality in the HG categories.

Best candidates in terms of quality and playing in positions we need to fill might well be Raya or Sanchez (GK) and Guehi (CB).

After that another CB and ideally a top class forward either as a long term or a short term successor to Son - Danjuma might get there but atm its more sensible to regard him as a potential replacement and upgrade on Moura, but if he's not that good, we might need 2 forwards .

So - GK, 2 CB's and a forward (or two) ..... and after that its a question of availability as to who is brought in and who they replace, so hopefully 6 players in ?

And at least 3 of the players loaned out sold or swapped and 3/4/5 of the current squad upgraded.

Quite a busy window...... and might not be easy if we need to add a manager and/or DOF to that list.
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From this season, Davies and Rodon count as HG for UEFA too.

 
Right as Rain said:
Regarding Gvardiol

- Romano said Madrid were following him but no negotiations yet. I think they will also be focused on Mbappe. They also have Rudiger, Alaba and Militão. They are definitely the favourites for him though as Alaba is aging.

- City could also use him but there is so much uncertainty around that club right now, I wonder if they will even try

- Liverpool could use him too and he said he was a fan of them but they might not get Champions League

- Bayern don't need any CBs, but apparently they are interested too

- Chelsea also don't need any more CBs, and Potter said they won't be spending as much as they did these past 2 windows. Might not get UCL either

- Spurs need an LCB upgrade more than all of them. IF we get UCL, and assuming we're still interested even after the 80 million release clause talk, I'd imagine we would have the power to make a bid for him if we really wanted to.

I think it will take an absolute miracle to get this guy ahead of those other clubs but my stance is that he is worth breaking our transfer record for. For me he is far and away the best option available and really is worth double Bastoni's asking price.
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Thing is, if he's as good as everyone thinks he is; anyone with a few quid would probably sell someone to make room for him. With that in mind I wouldn't rule out, RM, City, United, BM, PSG and even loony tunes Barca.... Who knows; maybe the Chavs cut their losses on Koulibaly already.

As for guaranteed CL via the EPL.... Doesn't really exist anymore..... We're talking 7 teams now and the only team that hasn't missed out in recent seasons or doesn't stand to miss out this season is City and obv. there's trouble at the mill there too. The closest you'll get is to hedge your best on a 'big name' and based on recent history; that would def. include Chavs & Liverpool.


What can we offer that none of the above can? If we're honest..... Nothing.
 
Right as Rain said:
Regarding Gvardiol

- Romano said Madrid were following him but no negotiations yet. I think they will also be focused on Mbappe. They also have Rudiger, Alaba and Militão. They are definitely the favourites for him though as Alaba is aging.

- City could also use him but there is so much uncertainty around that club right now, I wonder if they will even try

- Liverpool could use him too and he said he was a fan of them but they might not get Champions League

- Bayern don't need any CBs, but apparently they are interested too

- Chelsea also don't need any more CBs, and Potter said they won't be spending as much as they did these past 2 windows. Might not get UCL either

- Spurs need an LCB upgrade more than all of them. IF we get UCL, and assuming we're still interested even after the 80 million release clause talk, I'd imagine we would have the power to make a bid for him if we really wanted to.

I think it will take an absolute miracle to get this guy ahead of those other clubs but my stance is that he is worth breaking our transfer record for. For me he is far and away the best option available and really is worth double Bastoni's asking price.
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Sounds exactly right.

If this is the summer that Real are distracted by Mbop then it’s the only summer we’d have a chance at the miracle signing.

No signing is a sure thing but Gvardiol is as close as it gets.
 
Spursidol said:
After a number of managers who have not brought many players through the youth system, nor played them enough in the first team, we currently have the following HG situation at the moment :

Club Trained Players
Kane, Skipp, Tanganga, Austin or Whiteman, (4)

Other Association Trained
Sessegnon Forster, Davies (but not UEFA) (3)

Out on loan but coming back at the end of the season are Spence, Winks and Rodon (but not UEFA)

Other than 29 year old Kane and youngster Skipp, I'm not sure any of the others would be regarded as 'must keep'

Its not viable to have a squad just of 17 'Overseas Trained' Players so we need to assume we need to buy one or preferably two HG players in the summer to help get better quality in the HG categories.

Best candidates in terms of quality and playing in positions we need to fill might well be Raya or Sanchez (GK) and Guehi (CB).

After that another CB and ideally a top class forward either as a long term or a short term successor to Son - Danjuma might get there but atm its more sensible to regard him as a potential replacement and upgrade on Moura, but if he's not that good, we might need 2 forwards .

So - GK, 2 CB's and a forward (or two) ..... and after that its a question of availability as to who is brought in and who they replace, so hopefully 6 players in ?

And at least 3 of the players loaned out sold or swapped and 3/4/5 of the current squad upgraded.

Quite a busy window...... and might not be easy if we need to add a manager and/or DOF to that list.
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According to Ally Gold, UEFA have moved in line with the English FA with respect to Welsh FA players being homegrown. Rodon and Davies would be classed as such in both competitions, according to him.


Just quoting what he said on his pod the other day
 
FOK said:
The consistent links form the press paint an encouraging picture, our (hopeful) business is looking predictable.

Raya at GK
LCB Hincapie or Bastoni
CCB Guehi
FWD - who knows - Someone like Bowen/Harvey Barnes? again HG options. Or what about Gnonto from Leeds?

with Lenglet going back, Sanchez hopefully being sold and Lucas leaving.

The great thing would be to find buyers for Winks, Rodon, Lo Celso (Possible deal with Danjuma if DJ works out) Ndombele, Reguilon .

Gil, Spence and Udogie will come back in and I wouldn't be totally shocked for us to sell Bissouma and go for Ugarte - don't want Biss to go but would welcome Ugarte in without doubt.

The thing is with that prospective business is that 2 of the 4 are homegrown and that's critical.


Lets assume Lloris moves on to a French club and Gil & Spence get decent PL loans would people be happy with this squad

GK Raya, Forster

LWB Udogie, Sessegnon, Perisic
LCB Hincapie(or Bastoni) Davies
CCB Guehi, Dier
RCB Romero, Tanganga
RWB Porro, Emerson

CM Hojbjerg, Skipp, Bentancur, Bissouma, Sarr

LWF Son, Danjuma
CF Kane, Richarlison
RWF Kulusevski, Barnes(Bowen/Gnonto)

Thoughts? Appreciate there's a fair bit of speculation but I don't think I'm too far off.


The only other thing I Could think of is if we sold off all the loanees and got 60-80 maybe instead of Bowen/Barnes types we could go for Leao or Kvaratskhelia but I supsect that's a little too ambitious.
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That’s a lot of transfer. Maybe that will be the strategy over 2-3 windows but I don’t believe it will happen this summer, shifting dead wood is a nightmare. Can’t see biss going
 
Airfixx said:
Thing is, if he's as good as everyone thinks he is; anyone with a few quid would probably sell someone to make room for him. With that in mind I wouldn't rule out, RM, City, United, BM, PSG and even loony tunes Barca.... Who knows; maybe the Chavs cut their losses on Koulibaly already.

As for guaranteed CL via the EPL.... Doesn't really exist anymore..... We're talking 7 teams now and the only team that hasn't missed out in recent seasons or doesn't stand to miss out this season is City and obv. there's trouble at the mill there too. The closest you'll get is to hedge your best on a 'big name' and based on recent history; that would def. include Chavs & Liverpool.


What can we offer that none of the above can? If we're honest..... Nothing.
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What about fame, fortune and glory?

Alternatively:

A manipulative chairman
A manager with a single game plan (could be the chairmans fault)
Extra storage space due to the lack of trophies
A disgruntled and financially abused fanbase

We can sell that to anybody in the 20-30m bracket!
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
I'd rather N'dicka to Guehi if it means we have to take Pickford I'd take Guehi and Raya to dodge that pikey bullet. Gvardiol is the dream but he's beyond reach. I have serious reservations about Hincapie and Bastoni. We will need two centerbacks so Prehaps we are hoping for Bastoni and Guehi. I do wonder if Bremer might become available as Juve have real issues. He is certainly a Dier upgrade .
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Have you kept track of Bremer by any chance? I remember him being defender of the year but don’t really pay any attention to anything other than EPL
 
Brian Fantana said:
The prices for footballers nowadays are fucking ridiculous. While a good player, he isn't even an established international. I'm not sure he's much better than Dier.

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Thank you.

You just proved my point.
English / HG players are overpriced to the point of absurd.
EPL is monstrous money making machine, so the resources competing for this limited supply just drives the prices to absurd.
Already the reality of todays and tomorrows world is that mostly HG players are to make up numbers.

Let's take Spurs squad for an example. In our potential best lineup we have ONE player that is HG (!).

The 3 names mentioned make it pretty clear - either you can hold on to players not good enough to push others (like Tanganga), go for absurd money deals (Guelhi) or you find acceptable level cover players on reasonable terms (Tarkowski). Plus 4th option is to pay even more for arguable top quality, but that has not really worked out of late (Maguire, Sancho, Grealish) in past there are also some good examples like City buying Walker from us.

I personally think that Spurs have to be cleaver, cause if we go head to head in spending battle with likes of City, Chelsea or ManU, we will not beat them. Now our alternative is, as I already outlined - either to free up the money from Tanganga and get free transfer on level of Takowski and then use the capital to actually buy a non-HG player that are much better value for money. Or to pay over the odds for medicore players like Guelhi and ... thats it. You get a medicore HG player. Who woul most likely cost something like 15 mil if he was not HG...
 
FOK said:
The consistent links form the press paint an encouraging picture, our (hopeful) business is looking predictable.

Raya at GK
LCB Hincapie or Bastoni
CCB Guehi
FWD - who knows - Someone like Bowen/Harvey Barnes? again HG options. Or what about Gnonto from Leeds?

with Lenglet going back, Sanchez hopefully being sold and Lucas leaving.

The great thing would be to find buyers for Winks, Rodon, Lo Celso (Possible deal with Danjuma if DJ works out) Ndombele, Reguilon .

Gil, Spence and Udogie will come back in and I wouldn't be totally shocked for us to sell Bissouma and go for Ugarte - don't want Biss to go but would welcome Ugarte in without doubt.

The thing is with that prospective business is that 2 of the 4 are homegrown and that's critical.


Lets assume Lloris moves on to a French club and Gil & Spence get decent PL loans would people be happy with this squad

GK Raya, Forster

LWB Udogie, Sessegnon, Perisic
LCB Hincapie(or Bastoni) Davies
CCB Guehi, Dier
RCB Romero, Tanganga
RWB Porro, Emerson

CM Hojbjerg, Skipp, Bentancur, Bissouma, Sarr

LWF Son, Danjuma
CF Kane, Richarlison
RWF Kulusevski, Barnes(Bowen/Gnonto)

Thoughts? Appreciate there's a fair bit of speculation but I don't think I'm too far off.


The only other thing I Could think of is if we sold off all the loanees and got 60-80 maybe instead of Bowen/Barnes types we could go for Leao or Kvaratskhelia but I supsect that's a little too ambitious.
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I generally see where you are coming from, but few tweaks still -

1) I do not see Guelhi as a definite first pick CCB for team trying to win things. Just cant. I don't think he is good enough.
2) This team does not have enough creativity in it. Kane, Richie, Son, Danjuma - all of them are finishers of chances. We still need some creativity, at least against parked busses to find a good pass / cross. Someone more forward-thinking than PEH and Benta. so we would have chance to use 3 CMs, even if only for last 30 min for game where we fail to create chances. That is an absolute MUST. It might not be something that Conte desires, but it is something we 100% cannot do without.
3) In terms of fullbacks, I'd rather see us having 3 RWBs with Spence (assuming that Conte drops his childish bias) an option and cashing in on Sess who is losing value much more rapidly.

But ofc firstly we'd have to sort out the managerial position.
I doubt Conte will remain in charge, and considering our youngish roaster of Udogie, Spence, Gil, Sarr, Skippy, White - I think it would be the best option as well.
 
Right as Rain said:
Regarding Gvardiol

- Romano said Madrid were following him but no negotiations yet. I think they will also be focused on Mbappe. They also have Rudiger, Alaba and Militão. They are definitely the favourites for him though as Alaba is aging.

- City could also use him but there is so much uncertainty around that club right now, I wonder if they will even try

- Liverpool could use him too and he said he was a fan of them but they might not get Champions League

- Bayern don't need any CBs, but apparently they are interested too

- Chelsea also don't need any more CBs, and Potter said they won't be spending as much as they did these past 2 windows. Might not get UCL either

- Spurs need an LCB upgrade more than all of them. IF we get UCL, and assuming we're still interested even after the 80 million release clause talk, I'd imagine we would have the power to make a bid for him if we really wanted to.

I think it will take an absolute miracle to get this guy ahead of those other clubs but my stance is that he is worth breaking our transfer record for. For me he is far and away the best option available and really is worth double Bastoni's asking price.
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The difference between us and big teams, is they sign players they don't need if said player is definitely good enough or special enough.
Gvardiol, on the face of it, is good enough to displace the players in those teams AND is young enough to be there for a decade. It would be good business for those teams.

Of course Levy will look at it and say "yes Antonio, I know you would like a left footed CB, but we have Ben Davies, he's left footed and it's difficult to upgrade on what we have"
 
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