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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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I hope you don’t feed your guide dog the drugs you are taking
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Makes no sense.

My guess is that isn’t true and Monaco haven’t managed to rustle up a buyer for him and they need the money for other things.

Look at the source.

He tweeted originally back in June that if Emerson is sold, we'd look at Vanderson as a replacement.

He's simply replying to his own tweet that we may now accelerate the Vanderson deal because Emerson has now left.

I assume this guy hasn't seen a single Spurs pre season game or is up to date with Spurs enough to know that Spence is now back up right back. So seems like he's trying to get in early when really, it's not even a possibility.
 
Yes. He was similarly productive in nearly identical minutes in a much more difficult league in his first season with a new-to-the club coach and new system.


Similarly productive doesn’t mean similarly good mate.

Williams is world class. He might be one of the top 3 forward players in the world this season. Johnson will score and assist consistently which is great but nobody is changing their entire game plan for him. If you stay 1v1 vs Williams you get destroyed.
 
Absolutely Ronaldinho. For pure talent, I put him above both Messi and Ronaldo, such an innovative player. Some players get you on the edge of your seat. He put you there with an accompanying grin. He was an absolute delight to watch.

Cruyff set the World alight when he first broke out the "Cruyff turn." The amount of "what the fuck did he just do" moments Ronaldinho came up with eclipsed that of any other player IMO.

Today's game does seem to be missing those type of players, but I wonder if that is just the cyclical nature of the game and the next "WTF did he just do?" player is just around the corner?

I hope so, because the game needs those characters.
Yet people shitted on Neymar, and to a lesser extent Hazard.
 
Look at the source.

He tweeted originally back in June that if Emerson is sold, we'd look at Vanderson as a replacement.

He's simply replying to his own tweet that we may now accelerate the Vanderson deal because Emerson has now left.

I assume this guy hasn't seen a single Spurs pre season game or is up to date with Spurs enough to know that Spence is now back up right back. So seems like he's trying to get in early when really, it's not even a possibility.

That too. Vandersons agent probably uses him a bit too.

It’s BS
 
If you believe that across the season, Bissouma was "one of the best #6 in the league", then I see no further point of discussing our situation. We live in polar opposite worlds.

He was absolutely brilliant for first 7 rounds of the league. At least in top3, if not the best.

But from then on... it was very different story. He missed 10,5 games fully, and in 2 more games he did not start. So from his full season minutes significant part is that 7-games run which distorts full season trend. It is like trying to make statistical average of me and Margot Robbie - on avg we have 1 boob and half a penis.

Talking about more specific and straightforward numbers - Bissouma played 2083 minutes in EPL last season. This is 61% OF OVERALL MINUTES. So getting in another #6 would be of massive importance, given we just shipped out his main deputy in Hjojberg. AND having European competitions too.

As you say - you love and thus I assume value Sarr as player. I very strongly disagree that we should deal with luxury of improving already very good (and still young player that can be expected to get better every year) player while there are minutes just laying on the ground for another top level #6.

We have NUMBER of players that can play as #8. We have one player that has played #6 in EPL. Bringing in another player for this position also would allow to field Bissouma TOGETHER with such player, either to take different tactical approach OR put on Bissouma to #8 role, which he has played in EPL before.

I stand my ground - your goals what we want to achieve are correct, but we would achieve them better if we would recruit another (top level) #6. It would benefit the team and defending transitions much more than adding another (top level) player to list of #8's.
By this same logic, you must also think VdV and Romero are shit too because they are also in defence that that has seen so many teams transition against us like a knife through butter!!!!

We leave only three players back (x2 CB's + our #6) having Rodri as our #6 changes nothing in dealing with disrupting or stopping oppo transition on us, he will be left doing exactly what we do now. The transitions have to be stopped/disrupted the moment there occur, not once they are in the process, it's too late because once they are in the process the covering players are really only left to attempt to slow the attack down, they can't dive in, they can't get drawn out, they are kinda fucked. This is a system thing not a player thing, if it was a player thing then your logic is flawed and you have to want to upgrade on Romeroand VdV too because they also haven't stopped it happening! This is how we've chosen to play.

The ONLY difference between Biss in the first 10 games and the others after he got back from internationals (and suspensions) is that he no longer was dropping a shoulder, letting the ball roll across him and taking the ball on the half turn when he was being pressed, he became less risk-averse and played the ball back to CB's/GK/B's. My theory as to why I've detailed numerous times already in here but in short, other than Madders occasionally dropping into that pivot role to collect the ball with a player up his arse facing his own goal absolutely NO ONE else was doing it. It became so obvious that it was predictable the oppo became more braver by sometimes jumping not one player on him but two, the first with the aim of getting ahead of him to the ball (before it's even played), the 2nd playing behind in case Biss did turn. If you wanted to stop Spurs building up from the back then you pressed Biss, specifically stopping him taking the ball on the half turn and thus beating the press and we are away. Our build-up was still good but far, far slower as a consequence of this, he still rarely gave the ball away as those stats so clearly show, but our build-up was less dynamic and required a lot of working the ball across the backline before we found space to move it forward.

It is for this EXACT reason that we absolutely MUST improve on Sarr, who is shit at picking the ball up deep whilst being pressed, he simply can't do it. The moment we have another player that can do this it stops the oppo from being overly aggressive in their press, they absolutely won't commit two men onto him because if they did and we passed to a player that can take the ball in this position then they will have left the midfield wide open and we will be through. (BTW - I think Bentancur can do this, so hoping his involvement this season means we have more variety in our build-up by keeping the oppo guessing) but by bringing in an #8 that is also comfortable in collecting the ball off his CB's/GK whilst having a man up his chuff is absolutely fucking vital (that's why I want to upgrade on Sarr - also often Sarr is a long way ahead of Biss when he has the ball, which makes it very difficult to pass to him, need a # that's comfortable on the ball that can take the ball off Biss in our build up).

Now back to the transitions - I'm going to use his name again because I think he's brilliant at it, but Gallagher is a busier cunt without the ball than Sarr, he is one of the main players at Chavs who breaks up oppo transitions before they happen or as they are happening. The aim is to prevent them or disrupt them from happening, as I said above once a transition is two passes into the phase it's about the 3 players we have back getting into shape (thinking of several cases where VdV and Romero were drawn out and resulted in oppo goal. Once the transition is a couple of passes old it's too fucking late. It's not #6's role to break this up (unless of course, he was playing higher up the pitch supporting an attack). (City concede almost all of their goals from counter-attacks - Rodri is nowhere to be seen but it's odd he doesn't get the grief Biss does - But despite them conceding their goals to counters they have busy little cunts in midfield (Not Rodri but the likes of Bernardo, de Bruyne, Foden jumping on the backs and hauling down oppo players stopping MOST (not all) counter-attacks before they start, which is more than enough for them to play in a way they more often than not concede fewer and score more than their oppo. (they then have their own VdV in the shape of Walker who has the pace to mop up the ball over the top).

Stop MOST (not all) of the transitions from starting and we prevent approx 15 or so more goals this season, applying this to the games we dropped points against last season to teams that scored from turnover gets us 10-15 more points!!! + taking more of our big chances missed last year and we get another 5-10 points (there's overlap with the same game games here) but the bottom line is we challenge for 3rd place easily.

Lots of oversimplification in order to communicate what's wrong and where it's wrong but our #6 isn't there to stop transitions from happening, that is for Sarr, and our inverted FBs to do because that's where MOST (not all) the transitions start from. Having Rodri as our #6 doesn't fix us preventing transitions, having a busy snidey little cunt that happens to be tidy on the ball does.

Maybe Bentacur ticks this box - I would start him over Sarr 100%, maybe Berval ticks this box - I need to see more of him but he's certainly not shy at getting stuck in, maybe Gray ticks this box - I love his feet, he's certainly more composed on the ball than Sarr. I also think Solanke's pressing will have an effect too, certainly lead to some oppo players being deeper than they would if it was Son playing as CF.
 
Pre season is about fitness and running for as long as you can so the players aren’t blowing out their arse after 20mins vs Leicester.

Give it 5 games before we even start judging any tactical tweaks…. That’s if we are even astute enough at watching the game to notice them.

Most fans spent the entire season confusing an attack first mentality for refusing to adapt or plan for opponents. They weren’t even noticing when things were adapted for opponents. Then when qualified coaches pointed out the adaptations they just denied it was true instead of admitting they hadn’t noticed .
Not playing 'hope 'n' cope' this season, mate.

I want it to work with Ange, but he's got to show fans he's able to address glaring deficiencies.

The 'it's only pre-season' defence is wafer thin.

There are fundamental issues remaining there are no excuses for.

At all.

Pre-season, mid-season whatever.

And saying 'the fans don't get what he's doing' isn't going to work, now.

Anyway, we all hope he pulls it all together and comes through for us.

*You should go and watch some of liverpool's pre-season games... the tactical work slot has done with them in such a short period of time is impressive. They haven't just been 'getting fit'.
 
Not playing 'hope 'n' cope' this season, mate.

I want it to work with Ange, but he's got to show fans he's able to address glaring deficiencies.

The 'it's only pre-season' defence is wafer thin.

There are fundamental issues remaining there are no excuses for.

At all.

Pre-season, mid-season whatever.

And saying 'the fans don't get what he's doing' isn't going to work, now.

Anyway, we all hope he pulls it all together and comes through for us.

You haven’t really responded to what I’ve said there mate other than to say it’s got to work.
 
Well, I have.

You're making excuses for his lack of tactical remedy to glaring deficiencies in our game.

What else are you doing?

I want it to work.

I want him to FIX it.

No I’m not making excuses.

I’m explaining the extra context that people missed when people made their judgments of his first season. Im doing it so that people still hold some further patience in their locker for this season because there will be times this season as well when fans hopefully don’t throw their toys out the pram whilst the project is still developing.

Especially considering the type of support the club have offered for transfers so far and average age of our squad.
 
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