Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

[Spursidol]

Fans, eh.

Some never believe that can be wrong. And he's still there almost 20 years later.


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[TheSpurEst]

You're assuming that in those 3-4 years we'll be standing still. Next window will probably see another first XI player or two and another 2-3 youngsters that will develop. Over the course of these 3-4 years, even losing 1-2 starters, you'll have a much better team and squad.

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Honest question - if now transfer window will be shut, are you happy with the in's and out's that we have had this summer?

I can answer too - I personally am not.
I felt that last summer we took a real step forward. With one summer we massively improved on GK, LB, LCB, AM positions. FOUR first-teamers that could carry us high and far. And on top of them Johnson, Veliz, Phillips, Solomon.
We also had a new coach and we saw what kind of positions we would need improving. To me, by the end of last season it was more or less clear - we need 3 starting players. ST, winger, DM. But we have really got in 1/3. In my view if we improve starting XI one player at the time, aging and competitors trying to sign our players - this is way too slow tempo to ever got to anywhere. Of course, youngsters and also more experienced players will improve, but still. There was 20+ point gap with real top sides. And those sides will not sleep either, they also try to improve.

 

[Spursidol]

View: https://x.com/EnglishAbroad1/status/1826901720326156662

Remember when some fans were very upset when Levy wouldn't 'pay up' for him at WBA : never done anything since !

 

[Zomb]

Honest question - if now transfer window will be shut, are you happy with the in's and out's that we have had this summer?

I can answer too - I personally am not.
I felt that last summer we took a real step forward. With one summer we massively improved on GK, LB, LCB, AM positions. FOUR first-teamers that could carry us high and far. And on top of them Johnson, Veliz, Phillips, Solomon.
We also had a new coach and we saw what kind of positions we would need improving. To me, by the end of last season it was more or less clear - we need 3 starting players. ST, winger, DM. But we have really got in 1/3. In my view if we improve starting XI one player at the time, aging and competitors trying to sign our players - this is way too slow tempo to ever got to anywhere. Of course, youngsters and also more experienced players will improve, but still. There was 20+ point gap with real top sides. And those sides will not sleep either, they also try to improve.

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I will be pleased if I think Moore, Devine, Berg and Gray get chances

The outgoings are a big plus

 

[TeamSpirit™]

Fair post. Personally it doesnt bother me what other fans think. Football bantz is so bloody childish, i just switch off. I just want a team to challenge, one where you're looking forward to the next game and there is some excitement with what they might achieve even if they ultimately fall short.

Only real enjoyable periods over the last 5 seasons were that 2 or 3 months under Conte and the first 10 of last season, although even that felt like a house built on sand imo.

You're right i think there would be more patience under new owners if they came in and said this club should be challenging for the title and prioritised the football side. Maybe its not fair on Postecoglou and this squad but until something fundamentally changes at this club then i think there will be a lot of pissed off fans. I think you called it Levy fatique the other day and that sums it up. Its just a feeling of going round in circles.

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I’ve never been particularly bothered by what others say because no 2 clubs are run exactly alike.

It’s not fair on Ange, or Lange but they are tied to Levy and Levy is the bloodsucking devil, and so it goes.

There’s been big changes in approach and set-up in recent years (academy, data etc) but as long as the ownership stays the same with Levy as the figurehead, it won’t be acknowledged.

reminds me of the theory that people don’t care if the policy doesn’t change as long as the leadership behind the policy can change. See our politicians.

 

[Col_McCafferty]

You're assuming that in those 3-4 years we'll be standing still. Next window will probably see another first XI player or two and another 2-3 youngsters that will develop. Over the course of these 3-4 years, even losing 1-2 starters, you'll have a much better team and squad.

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Great, so we'll be decent in 5 years time.

Groovy!

 

[VonnegutBusy]

Almost 100% same to my thoughts. Before signing Solanke I said this window is 2/10.

All for investing into future/youth. But we also need IMPROVEMENT RIGHT NOW.
If we just bring in kids (and fuck me, Bergvall, Gray, Odobert ARE kids), we are just recreating this "almost there" mentality.
Kids come in -> they don't have enough leaders and role models from who to learn from and to compete with -> they do not become as good as they could in environment that would be.

We needed three players in their prime (or even experienced players) - ST, sharp winger and CM. We've got ST. And that is also only new face in the EPL opener starting XI. It is not enough.

Only thing I strongly disagree with is using ManU as positive example. de Ligt is medicore defender who was kept out by de Vrij in Nethelands national team and by ERIC fcking DIER in Bayern. I'll make a prediction that he will either leave for third rate club at the end of the contract, or will be sold in 2-3 years time for 30% of what ManU paid now. ManU is just brainlessly brining Ten Hag his previous Ajax players with 95-mil-eur Anthony being the prime example. Nothing to use as positive example in here.

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Yoro, Ugarte, Zirkee, Mazroui all likely upgrades on what they have.

Agree De Ligt is nothing amazing but probably still an upgrade on Maguire/Lindelof.

At least they have purposefully set about upgrading their first XI. Something we clearly haven't done.

 

[VonnegutBusy]

I will be pleased if I think Moore, Devine, Berg and Gray get chances

The outgoings are a big plus

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Devine will be loaned out. Moore will barely get a sniff.

I do reckon Berg and Gray are starting in 2-3 months.

 

[Shadydan]

Honest question - if now transfer window will be shut, are you happy with the in's and out's that we have had this summer?

I can answer too - I personally am not.
I felt that last summer we took a real step forward. With one summer we massively improved on GK, LB, LCB, AM positions. FOUR first-teamers that could carry us high and far. And on top of them Johnson, Veliz, Phillips, Solomon.
We also had a new coach and we saw what kind of positions we would need improving. To me, by the end of last season it was more or less clear - we need 3 starting players. ST, winger, DM. But we have really got in 1/3. In my view if we improve starting XI one player at the time, aging and competitors trying to sign our players - this is way too slow tempo to ever got to anywhere. Of course, youngsters and also more experienced players will improve, but still. There was 20+ point gap with real top sides. And those sides will not sleep either, they also try to improve.

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I don't want to be rude but no-one should really care what us fans think because we aren't the ones coaching the team or who need to work with these players week in week out.

I know we want to generally feel placated but the board aren't here to makes us feel warm and gooey inside, they are here to back the manager and if he is happy (which he is more than says he is) then they have done their job.

I guess what I am trying to say is sit back and enjoy the ride and just chill man, aint shit we can do about it anyway lol

Edit - For the record I don't think we've done enough from my POV but what the fuck do I know...

 

[Matt1882]

I fcuking hate it when there is this equation that because we get knocked out of Europe or a Cup competition, it's because we haven't taken it seriously. Absolute nonsense. Not been good enough.

It's a bizarre thread.

As fans I think we are right to want to compete, to be pleased at buying pootential but right to wonder and worry about the short term. Both sentiments can exist at the same time.

Any notion of entitlement is mostly rubbish, as is the expectation we can usurp the City juggernaut. We can't even get close to Woolwich in my view. Different level to us.

But anyone who thinks we have the players who will model excellence and a winning mentality to our younger players is just wildly optimistic or living in cloud cuckoo land. As long as those gaps and the accompanying lows are acceptable to that crowd then fine. I am not happy and will make my frustrations clear but with the necessary considerations as I see them.

We need more experience. Simple.

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Hmmm - making 8-9 changes is not taking a cup seriously.
We have been seriously guilty of that in the past.

 

[TomHotspur]

The thing is that we're operating under a completely different model the past season or two. And we're starting a rebuild that should have happened a long time ago. So going back 10 or even 3-4 years is literally apples and oranges.

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I really don’t know about that. We can only say it’s apples and oranges when there’s measurable difference on view.

I mean last summer for example, people are quick to say “we improved the squad instead of replacing Kane.”
But then I would counter that with what’s the difference between when we replaced Bale for instance? We “improved the squad” with players in a similar way to last summer. Soldado and Lamela were the equivalent of two 60 million signings at the time by today’s prices.

The club want to try and push the narrative that we’re operating at a different level since the stadium opened, but the reality doesn’t really add up to that..

 

[Get in!]

Honest question - if now transfer window will be shut, are you happy with the in's and out's that we have had this summer?

I can answer too - I personally am not.
I felt that last summer we took a real step forward. With one summer we massively improved on GK, LB, LCB, AM positions. FOUR first-teamers that could carry us high and far. And on top of them Johnson, Veliz, Phillips, Solomon.
We also had a new coach and we saw what kind of positions we would need improving. To me, by the end of last season it was more or less clear - we need 3 starting players. ST, winger, DM. But we have really got in 1/3. In my view if we improve starting XI one player at the time, aging and competitors trying to sign our players - this is way too slow tempo to ever got to anywhere. Of course, youngsters and also more experienced players will improve, but still. There was 20+ point gap with real top sides. And those sides will not sleep either, they also try to improve.

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I'd probably want one more established player. But at the same time I don't want it to be a player that will block the pathway into the first team of our youngsters. But at the same time I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram if we don't sign that one player, because getting that player is not as easy at it may seem. Just look at Liverpool, who are a more attractive team to join than we are.

 

[Macch]

Just caught up ….

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

Steady on mate. Skriniar was a top class CL defender.

VDV still has a lot to prove this season, he needs to show top class consistency before he's talked about like that. He does have all the attributes to go right to the top and I do think he will get there.

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Yeah that made me laugh, people throw VDV around all the time like he's definitive proof of anything. Skriniar has certainly been better over course of a career, where he has won trophies. Same with Tapsoba..."would you rather we got him now?" Yes please he was even better than Mickey last year.

 

[TheSpurEst]

Yoro, Ugarte, Zirkee, Mazroui all likely upgrades on what they have.

Agree De Ligt is nothing amazing but probably still an upgrade on Maguire/Lindelof.

At least they have purposefully set about upgrading their first XI. Something we clearly haven't done.

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Yoro - 18 yo CB. So defensive equivalent to Gray/Bergvall. Not more of "immidiate impact" player than mentioned 2.
Ugarte - not even signed yet + we'll see about him... if they get him done he'll be better than Arambarat most likely indeed
Zirkee- fair enough - improvement in XI compared to what they had, but... I think he is very average player. Bayern pretty much never lets top youth players leave...
de Ligt - mediocre defender that loses value as years go by, brought on the back of nostalgia and former hype
Mazroui- shit fullback that Bayern only signed for making some profit, hundreds of his level players around...

Soo.... well... yea... I can agree that they have tried. But I feel that they have tried it in ManU way. Which over past decade could be considered serious insult .

 

[Shadydan]

I really don’t know about that. We can only say it’s apples and oranges when there’s measurable difference on view.

I mean last summer for example, people are quick to say “we improved the squad instead of replacing Kane.”
But then I would counter that with what’s the difference between when we replaced Bale for instance? We “improved the squad” with players in a similar way to last summer. Soldado and Lamela were the equivalent of two 60 million signings at the time by today’s prices.

The club want to try and push the narrative that we’re operating at a different level since the stadium opened, but the reality doesn’t really add up to that..

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Summer 2013 we had a net spend of around £3.5m
Last Summer we had a net spend of around £60m and I haven't even included the Porro and Kulusevski fees seeing as that upsets some people

There's a difference between the two, no?

 

[Notabadsquad]

Hmmm - making 8-9 changes is not taking a cup seriously.
We have been seriously guilty of that in the past.

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We haven't been good enough however you wish to view it..

 

[Macch]

Just caught up ….

 

[Get in!]

I really don’t know about that. We can only say it’s apples and oranges when there’s measurable difference on view.

I mean last summer for example, people are quick to say “we improved the squad instead of replacing Kane.”
But then I would counter that with what’s the difference between when we replaced Bale for instance? We “improved the squad” with players in a similar way to last summer. Soldado and Lamela were the equivalent of two 60 million signings at the time by today’s prices.

The club want to try and push the narrative that we’re operating at a different level since the stadium opened, but the reality doesn’t really add up to that..

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The reality is that we spent the 4th most on transfers since the stadium. The issue was that initially we spent really badly. And the current reality is that we've put a model in place to spend more smartly. Let's give the new model, which has nothing to do with what we did previously, a chance, yeah?

 

[TheSpurEst]

I don't want to be rude but no-one should really care what us fans think because we aren't the ones coaching the team or who need to work with these players week in week out.

I know we want to generally feel placated but the board aren't here to makes us feel warm and gooey inside, they are here to back the manager and if he is happy (which he is more than says he is) then they have done their job.

I guess what I am trying to say is sit back and enjoy the ride and just chill man, aint shit we can do about it anyway lol

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Ofc we can't do much about it. But... I mean... it is a forum here. So we can still discuss, I hope ?

Regarding Ange being happy or not - I have heard quite many times this summer comments about him "being anxious due to not having control" and "process taking longer" and "not getting everything needed done so early". Not saying that he'd be about to walk out or drown the toys, but I do believe that it is not like Ange would be on cloud nine with our current summer spending.