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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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How Dry should our Powder be?

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Shadydan said:
The stupid thing about the Sterling and Sancho shouts is that it literally opposes the long held belief in how ENIC run this football club and how they hold us back because they are both are literally last minute opportunistic signings, whatever happened to signing players in early and get them in before pre season?

I detest sections of this fanbase man, just moan for the sake of moaning man
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People just have short term memory. Sancho I think I'll still be OK if we did have an interest. But Sterling? Ffs.

People just need to watch back Sancho playing for United and Sterling in England. If they are not both English and in a top 6 clubs, they wouldn't be so thought highly of at all.
 
Looks like we've done fairly high risk work to me. Doesn't really address what was needed now, whilst most of the signings we won't ultimately know how we've done with them for however many years down the line.

I thought we needed another creative midfield option, plus two starting wingers on either side. Arguably done none of that.

Kulusevski we hope provides a bit better efficiency in the middle compared to his efforts out wide, but he joins a cadre of senior options in Maddison, Bentancur, Bissouma who simply must kick on and be demanded to provide quality and consistency throughout the season.

Odobert looks like he brings a profile we need, but is still very raw. Also for all the he can play on the right mutterings, clearly prefers and is more effective operating on the left cutting in on his strong foot. Totally backed up in that position now with him, Son, Werner, and this other Korean lad coming in. If we were going to choose one, should have been a natural for the right side.

Bergvall and Gray need time. Bergvall looks a big talent but needs to get used to the physicality and what his game is capable of at PL level - he has given the ball away dangerously in every game he has played. Gray is a good prospect, but has a bit of work to put in if he wants to play DM, both with and without the ball, and lets just see.... the last two midfielders who came out of Leeds - Kalvin Phillips and Lewis Cook - didn't match the mega hype afforded to them.

Solanke we hope can do a job, but lets face it if anyone in May/June had suggested him when posed the question You have 60 million pounds, go buy a striker then they'd have been ridiculed and downvoted to oblivion. All of a sudden with transfer window fever kicking in there are cries about him being the most perfect striker ever for Ange-Ball. Lets hope this is an inspired pick getting someone just as they take off, but come on, he's got a lot to prove with just one good PL season behind him and a career PL record worse than Richarlison.

As for Werner, maybe the most stupid signing done in many a year.

Seems a lot of wishful thinking to me with the business. That young kids can come in and fire. That career flaky and inconsistent players suddenly find a level of consistency previously out of their grasp.... Tl;dr I wanted more technicality and quality in attack, and more established senior signings to sort the team out now tbh.
 
Matt1882 said:
People on here are utterly obsessed with the academy.

If most of them played for other teams they'd get ridiculed, but because they're Spurs, they're all future world beaters.

Nobody knows until they play mens PL football. Doesn't matter how good they look at U17 etc, the opposition isn't the same.
People will shudder at buying a forward from Holland as it's a weak league, but will rely on an 18 year old kid who plays training games for our academy.
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See this so often with youth players hyped up on here. Usually as a reason it’s ok we didn’t strengthen more. I totally forget about said youth player, then years later usually ends up on a free to Peterborough.
I wouldn’t mind if Enics & levy’s hotspurs were known for their great academy. But that’s another area they have been crap in!
 
Aphex said:
People do it all the time with young players. The same way people go on about Devine and Mikey Moore in preseason saying they are going to play loads of games in the PL etc etc

They end up going on loan to Swindon for a year instead. Fans always get giddy and then they realise quite quickly that actually the kids aren't ready and we need to wait a year or two at least for any consistent impact.

It's so unrealistic to expect Bergvall and Gray to make any consistent impact this season. We are battling side like City and Woolwich who have proven top quality players and Spurs fans seriously think Gray, Bergval and Odobert are the answer to closing the gap. No wonder Levy always gets away with it, the club can serve any old tripe up in a window and fans just lap it up.

We needed to be doing what United are doing this summer, plugging the gaps with senior players that will improve the first 11, Ugarte, De Ligt, Maz, Zirkzee etc

So where does that leave us this season as a side when basically all our big signings are kids? Nowhere. We simply can't rely on them to improve the side this year, that's my whole point. So where is the improvement going to come from? Look around the squad and we are basically relying on the same players as last year + Solanke.

My whole point was we should have been signing players as an example, like Neto, Eze, Gomes plus the kids, not just the kids. How anyone can sit here now and say yeah great window are just delusional.

The sad thing is it only really needed us to swap the signing of Werner for a Neto or Eze, and then add a starting quality CM, throw the kids on top and it is a great window. But as ever the club leaves us well short.
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Great post. Also it’s far better blooding a young player in a team with good senior players. Not with more unproven kids. Having gray, bergval & Odobert on the porch together isn’t the best for their development.
 
Kane you believe it said:
Dropping reality bombs - I'd brace yourself for the impassioned responses that will no doubt follow

Good point on man utd (and even chelsea) looking to sign senior experienced top level players.

I'll accept someone saying they're happy with the window but for their sake hope they have the understanding that the club have not done much to be successful in the current season.
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It’s ok if they say I am happy with the window & winning nothing & scraping 4th at best. Whilst leaving our bitter rivals to go for the big prizes. But I ain’t on board with that! I think we can be doing much better. & you won’t get me saying we are a carling cup every 25 years type club so just accept it. Who’s with me :contepoint:
 
scott said:
As a fairly big club, We just come across as so content with being average & winning nothing every year. Throw in an odd fan base who many picked levy over our all time top goal scorer & this is the situation we find ourselves in. It’s worse with the way modern football has gone & even more about ££. I Never would prioritise watching football now, even over quite mundane stuff ha.
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What are you suggesting here? That there was some kind of Sophie's choice scenario and we as a collective fanbase chose Levy? I don't remember filling out that survey...
 
El Capitan said:
Looks like we've done fairly high risk work to me. Doesn't really address what was needed now, whilst most of the signings we won't ultimately know how we've done with them for however many years down the line.

I thought we needed another creative midfield option, plus two starting wingers on either side. Arguably done none of that.

Kulusevski we hope provides a bit better efficiency in the middle compared to his efforts out wide, but he joins a cadre of senior options in Maddison, Bentancur, Bissouma who simply must kick on and be demanded to provide quality and consistency throughout the season.

Odobert looks like he brings a profile we need, but is still very raw. Also for all the he can play on the right mutterings, clearly prefers and is more effective operating on the left cutting in on his strong foot. Totally backed up in that position now with him, Son, Werner, and this other Korean lad coming in. If we were going to choose one, should have been a natural for the right side.

Bergvall and Gray need time. Bergvall looks a big talent but needs to get used to the physicality and what his game is capable of at PL level - he has given the ball away dangerously in every game he has played. Gray is a good prospect, but has a bit of work to put in if he wants to play DM, both with and without the ball, and lets just see.... the last two midfielders who came out of Leeds - Kalvin Phillips and Lewis Cook - didn't match the mega hype afforded to them.

Solanke we hope can do a job, but lets face it if anyone in May/June had suggested him when posed the question You have 60 million pounds, go buy a striker then they'd have been ridiculed and downvoted to oblivion. All of a sudden with transfer window fever kicking in there are cries about him being the most perfect striker ever for Ange-Ball. Lets hope this is an inspired pick getting someone just as they take off, but come on, he's got a lot to prove with just one good PL season behind him and a career PL record worse than Richarlison.

As for Werner, maybe the most stupid signing done in many a year.

Seems a lot of wishful thinking to me with the business. That young kids can come in and fire. That career flaky and inconsistent players suddenly find a level of consistency previously out of their grasp.... Tl;dr I wanted more technicality and quality in attack, and more established senior signings to sort the team out now tbh.
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Good post 👏👏👏
 
White Hart said:
As opposed to him playing for us now as many fans want a new defensive midfielder.
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We have 8 central midfielders.

It'd been a colossal waste of time for this season. Let him go and start each week at Betis (which right now he can't even manage)

If he does well enough, I imagine one of Bentancur/Bissouma will be sold next season (year left on contracts) and he'll come in.
 
Starks said:
In all honesty, it seems like a weird worded way of basically saying this is an unofficial loan and we'll be signing him if he continues the trajectory he's on.
Like we've learnt from the Jack Clarke deal. Where we signed him, sent him on loan back to Leeds and they thought fuck developing him further, he's not ours.

Whereas this sort of gives incentive for Betis to keep playing and developing him, hoping he does well enough so they get paid.

He seems to have a €80m release clause, so we've sort of negotiated that down and only we have the option. Of course, nothing stopping others from offering more if he does well, but they'd have to accept our deal regardless.
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Great post!
 
Mostly wrong said:
What are you suggesting here? That there was some kind of Sophie's choice scenario and we as a collective fanbase chose Levy? I don't remember filling out that survey...
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Yeah I did one. Maybe you weren’t on the Board back then . I even had people calling me crazy for suggesting people would support levy over Kane & then it all came true. They said I had gone too far, I had lost my mind. Then further down the line certain people were rushing in support of levy whilst crucifying Kane. They made it clear who they favoured & backed. They were very defensive of their cult leader whilst sticking the knife in our legend on the pitch. I find it so odd & something that would only happen here.
Next you will be telling me people didn’t say no way levy signs no one & if he does I will lose my shit. I said they would just allow it if it happens. Guess what, he signed no one & instead of losing their shit they backed levy & started saying things like “who do you drop” & “spending doesn’t equate to success”.
I think you are very naive about the backing levy gets. People change their views 180 to line up with him. I had his fans telling me Jose is a toxic dinosaur & then when he appointed him…… serial winner! I could go on for days & bore you all more.
I’ve had lots of nasty personal abuse from his fans for being critical of levy & Enic. It’s Stan behaviour.
 
Shadydan said:
The stupid thing about the Sterling and Sancho shouts is that it literally opposes the long held belief in how ENIC run this football club and how they hold us back because they are both are literally last minute opportunistic signings, whatever happened to signing players in early and get them in before pre season?

I detest sections of this fanbase man, just moan for the sake of moaning man
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I would take Sterling over Werner all day long , but he wasn’t available when we got Werner and not for a package we would meet. So would I prefer him yes , is it worth moaning about , no , it was a non starter .

Still think we have left Ange short , but not by not signing Sterling or Sancho
 
White Hart said:
As opposed to him playing for us now as many fans want a new defensive midfielder.
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He's played about 18 games in La Liga in half a season, and according to many been an amazing player.

But half a season in La Liga is a very short time, so doubt if we want to buy him right now, as that also means that as he have a full squad now, we would need to offload a player - so for example if the long term plan is for him to replace Bissouma then bring him in now means selling Bissouma now to create a space for him.

So if we do that and find that his half season experience in La Liga, its self a big leap in quality from where he was playing before, is not a solid platform to make a 2nd leap to PL then Spurs run the risk of having no senior DM to rely on.

However if we wait so he gets a full season in La Liga and he's still showing he's a top DM, its a relatively low risk to sign him and expect he becomes a good DM at Spurs.

NB. Most pundits, whilst they may not love Bisssouma, have struggled to name a better one (other than Rodri) which is why we haven't signed an alternative DM.
 

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Two things have been notable about Spurs’s dealings, the most obvious being the increased emphasis on youth, with three teenagers coming in: Lucas Bergvall, Archie Gray and Wilson Odobert. Has it been Daniel Levy rekindling his love of a signing with a high ceiling, whose value can increase in tandem with his improvement? The second has been how the chairman has shipped out a host of unwanted players; a difficult trick which he has not always mastered. The massive outlay on Dominic Solanke comes with corresponding levels of expectation. David Hytner

Key ins: Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth, £55m), Wilson Odobert (Burnley, £31.5m), Archie Gray (Leeds, £25m), Lucas Bergvall (Djurgården, £8.5m), Timo Werner (RB Leipzig, loan)

Key outs: Oliver Skipp (Leicester, £20m), Emerson Royal (Milan, £13m), Joe Rodon (Leeds, £10m), Troy Parrott (AZ, £7.6m), Giovani Lo Celso (Real Betis, £5m), Eric Dier (Bayern Munich, £3m), Manor Solomon (Leeds, loan), Bryan Gil (Girona, loan), Ryan Sessegnon (Fulham, free), Pierre-Emile Højbjerg (Marseille, loan), Japhet Tanganga (Millwall, free), Tanguy Ndombélé (Nice,free)

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Transfer window verdict: how every Premier League club fared this summer

Liverpool and Manchester City were restrained but it was noisy again at Chelsea and Brighton spent a record total
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Shadydan said:
The stupid thing about the Sterling and Sancho shouts is that it literally opposes the long held belief in how ENIC run this football club and how they hold us back because they are both are literally last minute opportunistic signings, whatever happened to signing players in early and get them in before pre season?

I detest sections of this fanbase man, just moan for the sake of moaning man
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Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!Play the kids!

(Kids are played, then a rival makes a last minute signing of someone you'd never previously wanted)

Show ambition! Can't win with kids! Fucking Levy! Show ambition like Chelsea!

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What does « powder dry »mean in this thread ?

We have a lot of young players with high ceilings and I want them to be given a chance to reach those ceilings. The reason they don’t succeed shouldn’t be because they never had a chance.
 
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