I suppose that all depends on what both the data crunchers and scouts say. If he meets all the metrics that they, and AP require, I'm not sure how much smarter we could be.
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One good season in the Portuguese league. How can you know from that?
This is like Lo Celso who had one astonishing season in a much better league and we wasted a lot of money on (even if he wasn’t always injured he’s never shown that Betis form).
If a player has had only one excellent season in a serious league then the seller needs to assume some of the risk. The price cannot reflect only the best case scenario (because that is unlikely).
Perhaps.
Always hard to judge a player on an isolated freak season though.
Last season when Guirassay was Richarlisons age, he scored 11 league goals in 20 starts and up until then, that was his best ever goalscoring season league wise. 11 goals. As a striker at the age of 27...
Richy, this season managed 11 league goals in 18 starts..
Sometimes it can just click for a player.
Prior to last season not a single person would have mentioned Guirassay. Now and again strikers can have purple patch seasons out of nowhere and then quickly return to their true type. Doesn't anyone remember Michael Ricketts? Should never go too crazy for a 27 year old striker who's had one great season in his career.
It’s not a freak season.
His goals per minute played and xG per minute has been elite level for a few seasons now.
Well data wise, his stats are nearly identical to Gimenez from Feyenoord, who we've also been linked with. Yet someone who would cost considerably less and who you could argue is in a better league.
Gyokeres is a better presser and probably a better hold up player. But so is Richarlison. However Gimenez, this season anyway, has a higher xG, has scored more non penalty goals per 90 and wins more more aerial duels.
Are you applying that to Gyokeres too?
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Perhaps, but when you factor in before this season he had never scored more than 11 league goals by the age of 27, yet still a decent goals per minute, you wonder why?
Is he just never fit? Not been good enough to start?
I have said for 18m, it's a gamble probably worth taking. Especially with the striker market being as it is right now. It also allows it to continue to develop Veliz, Scarlett, Lankshear without blocking their path longer term
Absolutely. I was never that impressed by him for Coventry in the Championship. I certainly see him as someone who is still unproven.
Totally agree. People going crazy off one good season in the Portuguese league at 26, acting like they’ve seen enough to make an informed judgment.
Incredible seeing the almost consensus that he’s the answer.
Worth remembering Darwin Nunez got 26 league goals for Benfica. And as much as
todd1882
pretends he’s been brilliant for Liverpool, he’s actually been a bit of a joke and their fans want rid because he’s spent most of his time there missing sitters.The Portuguese league is shit. While his numbers are still to be respected last season, I see it as the same level as the Dutch league, which is a league we've seen plenty of players have fantastic records in and then come to England and aren't able to put up anything like the same numbers. Dirk Kuyt and Mateja Kezman spring to mind. A couple of years ago he was hardly setting the world on fire for Coventry in the Championship. I think he's decent, but that's it.
Worth remembering Darwin Nunez got 26 league goals for Benfica. And as much as
It’s a fair point.
Gyokeres is a very different player though. Bigger, stronger, more aggressive. I think he’s a better fit for English football, especially as he knows what it’s like to live here.
But nobody can pretend there isn’t risk with Gyokeres, Gimenez, Toney, Guirassy or any of the links so far.
Isak is the closest to a low risk signing but that’s why he’d be the most expensive by miles
I don’t have the stats or time to watch lots of different leagues.
I wouldn’t buy a player who is in their mid 20s and had one good season for more than 40m.
I’ve never seen him play but Gimenez at Feynoord is the only player I’d be tempted by that we’ve been linked to up front.
I'm convinced that fans want Eze because he costs a lot and it looks like we are showing ambition as opposed to him being the right profile fit because where does he play in an Ange team and why do we need him so bad?
Why are you tempted by him if you’ve never seen him play?
Which player is worth more than 40m for you?
Agreed. Look at the top scorers this season - you’ve got:
de Jong - old and flopped elsewhere - 29 goals
Pavlidis - value is peanuts - 29 goals
Gimenez - valued at £40m - 23 goals including a hefty baron spell
Brobbey - flopped in Germany - 18 goals
Parrott - championship/league 1 standard? - 17 goals (Inc play offs)
van Wolfswinkel - old and flopped elsewhere - 16 goals
The standard is horrific and there’s no one in the above list that you would think he’s either worth a punt or value for money. Gimenez is rumoured at £40m whereas Pavlidis is valued at circa £15m and Parrot circa £2.5m. There’s a few players at PSV and Feyenoord (E.g. Bakayoko, Geertuida) who are very promising but other than a select few, there’s a serious distinct lack of quality in the Dutch league at the moment. We should be targeting players in Germany, Spain and Italy… yes they’ll cost more but they’re much less of a risk considering the standard is very similar to the EPL.
I’d there’s one thing Nunez is it’s big, strong, aggressive and fast. What he lacks - at Premier League level - is technical quality and composure.