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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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JDefoe said:
What a fucking cluster this is becoming.

Our RW won’t be addressed you can just tell.

We’ve paid £65m for a good striker and €40m for a good youth prospect. Not a lot left in the coffers though. And Gray needs to become a world beater to justify that fee, something which won’t happen until the late 2020s at best.

So basically we’ve spent money on positions in the spine and left the wing unaddressed, tried to cheap out on Neto, got burnt.

There will be another twist in the Gallagher/Eze saga to appease Ange but we all know those are dead ends. It’s all coming up quite familiar, this one.
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Not really sure we cheaped out on Neto.

We offered him exactly what his injury issues and output would suggest he's worth.

Not really our fault Chelsea like to waste money.

That right wing does need addressing though.
 
GGTH said:
Richarlison would've been good if he didn't have fitness issues.
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This is what annoys me though with our transfers.

We always get players with injury issues or attitude problems. Wasting money by not doing due diligence.

I always say, no point being the best player in the world if you're always injured.

Solomon was another, albeit free transfer but costs wages too.

Solanke doesn't have as many injury issues so that's a good first step.
 
Starks said:
Not really sure we cheaped out on Neto.

We offered him exactly what his injury issues and output would suggest he's worth.

Not really our fault Chelsea like to waste money.

That right wing does need addressing though.
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that one isn’t fully on the club, but it belies a lack of confidence in your supposed top target that you aren’t willing to go above and beyond to meet the fee and buy them. Chelsea are a farcical club but I still feel if we were more serious we’d have gotten him.

Anyways it just feels as if Don Paratici is going to be called in 11th hour now to clean up the mess. I’m a bit mum on Lange if this is really what his first transfer window looks like, tracking hugely expensive PL players in Eze Gallagher Neto and Solanke and ending up with only 1 of them.
 
JDefoe said:
that one isn’t fully on the club, but it belies a lack of confidence in your supposed top target that you aren’t willing to go above and beyond to meet the fee and buy them. Chelsea are a farcical club but I still feel if we were more serious we’d have gotten him.

Anyways it just feels as if Don Paratici is going to be called in 11th hour now to clean up the mess. I’m a bit mum on Lange if this is really what his first transfer window looks like, tracking hugely expensive PL players in Eze Gallagher Neto and Solanke and ending up with only 1 of them.
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Our top target was Doue. If the club decided to avoid spending 60m on another Lo Celso: good. They have some sense.
 
Guido 🇺🇦 said:
We all want a 1v1 specialist, I think we've all convinced ourselves that this is a priority, me included. But if you look at our biggest weakness then it is by far and away dealing with oppo transitions, when they happen it's like a knife through butter.

Last season (so before our recent signings) we created the 4th most "big chances" in the league (more than Woolwich) and I can't recall with accuracy but I think 2nd or 3rd in total chances per 90 but played most of the season without a Centre Forward, seeing as we've just addressed this with Solonke there is hope now that a higher % of those chances can be turned into goals if Solanke gets up and running fast. This alone keeps the oppo pinned back and turns some of the games we drew or lost into wins.

As much as I like him for his energy and work rate I think Sarr is currently an issue in how we control games (control midfield), IMO he's not well-rounded enough especially when we are on the ball, without the ball he great at winning the ball high up the pitch but is often nowhere to be seen in oppo transitions (this could be as a result of Ange's system committing numbers up the pitch) and I think he makes some good 3rd man runs but his execution is woeful when those runs are picked out.

Having more rounded number #8 makes a lot of sense to me someone who has the same energy levels as Sarr but is better on the ball, links play from Biss to forwards, keeps possession better and is more effective in smashing the fuck out of the oppo if they transition on us, we need a technical fouler in the middle of the park who can break up oppo transitions before they start (there's a possibility that Bentancur could do this, in fact, he can and has done).

So, the question is will we win more games by scoring more goals from the chances we create? Yes, we will and I think we've addressed this with Solonke (big fingers crossed here). Also, will we win more games if we fix our oppo transition issue? Yes, absofuckinlutely (Will also be transformative if we scored more set pieces and conceded less at set pieces).

1v1 dribbly wingers yes please, I still want and we still need and they are fun to watch but we conceded 61 goals last year this has to be our priority. (Under Ange we will concede more goals than lots of teams so I'm not expecting shut outs) If we improve just by 20 goals less conceded then that moves the needle and puts us as a top 3 contender.
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I do not know what is the definition of "big chance". But I am pretty sure it is something subjective and there is BIG difference in big chance that means 3 vs 2 counter attack and chance where we find a shooting opportunity from within the box that has 9 opposition players in it, blocking most important routes to goal.

By the naked-eye-test, we were not sharp, direct and fast enough in offensive transitions too.
I would much prefer to have 4 very sharp counter attacking chances in a game (something that fast 1vs1 specialist helps to create) to have 7 or 8 chances that are result of Kulusevski-as-winger-setup when we have previously been swinging ball from one wing to another to back again and then in the end take a shot from questionable position in crowded box.

There has to be more directness and sharpness in our attacks. That will also make opposition think twice and adjust their positioning. So freaking often our gameplan lacked any cutting edge and it was just enough to put the middle part of the field full of defenders and leave flanks open, cause there was no danger coming from there.

Plus in terms of transitions our #6 position at the 2nd half of the season was bit of a shitshow. I never saw Biss or anyone else putting in really influential display and winning the ball back in this area like we did in 1st half of the season.

I surely agree that there is more than one way to skin a cat. I believe that getting in another specialist #6 (Emerson) and good 1vs1 winger (say Eze) would bring MUCH bigger effect than getting 10% better player to displace Sarr (to whom you were quite unfair - he was super important part of the team that started the season so well, and was increasing the tempo of our play sometimes single-handedly).
 
Audere!Audere! said:
Number 6 (Defensive Midfielder)

  • Defensive anchor: Primarily responsible for protecting the defense.
  • Ball recovery: Wins back possession for the team.
  • Distribution: Starts attacks by passing the ball accurately to teammates.
  • Physicality: Often needs to be strong and good in the air.
Number 8 (Central Midfielder)

  • Box-to-box: Combines defensive and attacking responsibilities.
  • Creativity: Links defense to attack, often initiating scoring chances.
  • Goal contributions: Can score goals and provide assists.
  • Versatility: Adapts to different playing styles and formations.
Essentially, the Number 6 is the defensive shield, while the Number 8 is the more attacking-minded player who connects the defense and attack.
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Thing is you can have No 6s with different qualities too. Rodri is as close as you can get to an all-round player. But you can have a Paulinha type who are more about protecting space, winning duels and establishing physical dominance, but not as great a passer. Or you can have a Michael Carrick type, who still protects space, is not as physical, but launches attacks with metronomic quality.
 
Os22 said:
Do you believe we just pay that amount of cash up front though? I’d love to… maybe I’m just scarred by past failures. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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No, we won't pay it in one lump. Someone posted something, in the start of the window, about Eze having a gentlemans agreement with Palace. We all know that they're worth as much as the paper they aren't written on (Mahrez, Kane etc). Eze is a bit patchy in performances, so I don't see him worth anything above 70m (maybe Palace disagrees), and I could see us offering various packages close to that fee
 
nicoclaesen said:
Because midfielders are limited nowadays but that’s down to how the game is played. The things that make a midfielder a good midfielder is coached out of them and are pigeonholed into one position. Midfielders should be able to do the lot like back in the 70s/80s and 90s. The game has changed now and for the worse. Nobody can tell me that Biss couldn’t play higher up or madders couldn’t play deeper. They are just not allowed to now as the game is more structured.

Going back to the question
A 6 is a defensive midfielder who is there to protect centre backs(another thing I disagree with as they only play against one striker) who also gets on the ball and controls the game.

An 8 is a midfielder that has more scope to get forward and join in the game but also has to get back and defend.

That’s as simplistic as you can make it.
What I’ve noticed in pre season there has been more scope for our midfield to rotate (especially when Biss is not playing) with all midfielders moving and playing the 6,8 and 10. Bergvall is taking a pass from Vic then in the same attack he’s up supporting and joining in the game behind the front players . That gives us more fluency but also harder for oppposition to mark rather than being rigid with a 6 and two 8s.

Playing with Bentancur,Madders and Bergvall especially at home is our best three midfielders in my opinion.
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Notabadsquad said:
Most have no idea. To me, it's just a matter of a player playing fcuking well

Way too much dissection of stuff people know very little about..

Oh and the answer is 2.
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IMO, and it has always been my opinion, this is the same player that should be able to change depending on the requirement. Any premier league midfielder should be capable of being able to at least try to put a tackle in AND turn defence into attack.
The only difference should be when the coach is saying to one, the other, or both to do more defending or more attacking. That's it.

I think referring to players as a 6 or an 8 is a load of hipster BS. I'm glad some of you replied confirming what I thought.
 
Without going into details we currently have an EL squad of 25.
We are only allowed 21 so we have to sell 4 more players and also loan Phillips before we can add a single more player to the Euro squad.
In addition to the 21 we are also allowed 4 club trained players and currently have 3. So we could sign KWP today and be within the squad rules.
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
Think he just needs loads of PL experience and time to be a deeper midfielder. I don’t think Sarr’s role is that different to a RB in some ways. Get up and down, press and harry, get in the box.
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I would agree with that, I think the transition from Champ to PL has the biggest step up when looking at the time you get on the ball and how aggressively you are pressed, I don't have an issue with his ability with the ball at his feet, that #6 position for us though is fucking hard for anyone playing in our system, it's basically them and x2 CB's, so knowing when to pressure the oppo or drop back in position is the difference between an oppo goal scored or not. But I would be surprised to see him play there in the PL (and yes I'm passing that purely off his Bayern performance so a big pinch of salt from me. But it did show just how far off it he was). I loved everything else he's done in preseason.

I'm simply not impressed with what Sarr brings on the ball, he's had some nice moments but by and large, he needs to keep possession better and be more aggressive in spotting and shutting down oppo transitions (again, don't want to entirely chuck him under the bus here as Ange's system will always leave us open to this more so than a less risk-averse deeper #8).

By way of an example and this one is for the haters, imagine Gallagher playing instead of Sarr. He's marginally better than Sarr in all the things Sarr is good at, but he miles better than him in disrupting oppo build-up and attacks. This is the difference from conceding 61 goals to somewhere like 45/50 goals, that alone gets us CL football back and maybe the difference required to compete better against the top 6 which might mean a trophy.
 
GLC (not the band). Gonna be the next out isnt he? Probably on a hefty wage too.

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PL player made aware of Aston Villa’s ‘firm’ interest – Insistence on offer from Emery’s side - Sport Witness

Aston Villa and Real Betis are set to battle it out for Tottenham Hotspur’s Giovani Lo Celso this summer, according to TyC Sports. Ange Postecoglou didn’t rely upon the midfielder regularly last season as he clocked in less than 500 minutes from 22 league games for Tottenham. Lo Celso provided...
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The Argentina international had perhaps the most successful club season of his career at Real Betis, which helped him secure a move to Tottenham in 2019. He has an opportunity to return to the Spanish club or to continue in the Premier League, by joining Unai Emery’s side.

TyC Sports’ title says Lo Celso has those two offers to leave Tottenham.

Lo Celso is yet to make a decision between Aston Villa and Real Betis, but what’s likely at this moment in time is that he won’t continue in London. Tottenham, for their part, are ready to sanction his sale if they were to receive a good offer.



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