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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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So to summarise actual transfer news for today:

- Manor Solomon will be going out on loan, wants to stay in UK, maybe a Leeds loan?
- Alfie Devine out on loan, maybe Sheffield Wednesday?
- Ashley Phillips looking like he's heading to Stoke on loan.

The rest of the last 20 odd pages are just usual suspects repeating themselves with a few people highlighting how we've not improved our first XI, one post has 12 agrees on that topic when I scrolled through so worth stopping at.
 
Can only really rate the window at the end of the season, I don't know how good or bad any of the signings will end up. At the moment I'd give 6/10 because I think Solanke is a good signing and we have kept our best players. I think Ange needed to be given an 8 or 9/10 window for us to be really competitive imo, we have likely fallen well short of that but we'll only know for sure at the end of the season.
 
Yes you said the same last summer despite bringing in Vicario, Ven de Venn, Udogie arriving still unknown a year after signing, Maddison, Johnson, Veliz and Solomon.

If we have the same success rate as last summer in terms of impact on the team, most will think it a very decent window

They are completely different level of signings. Sure VDV, Vic, Udogie were unknown, but they were in their early twenties already which is usally an age where players can and will make a good impact. Udogie was the only really young one out of them being 19, but on the verge of the Senior Italy squad and has just played 30+ in the Italian top league.

Maddison was a coup last summer. Johnson I always thought was an odd signing, never thought he stood out at Forest that much and couldn't finish his dinner. When you put that altogether though, there's a lot to get behind for the new season last year.

It was easy to look at that group of players last summer and say, ok we upgraded at GK, LB, LCB, Number 10, and on the fence with Johnson at RW,

That is 4 maybe 5 first 11 positions clearly upgraded in last summers window and so it proved.

This summer we have signed 1 position as an upgrade, Solanke, and even that is debatable depending on how you rate Richie, but let's give Solanke the benefit of the doubt. So one position.

Odobert is highly unlikely to be a starter in the short term unless he comes in and lights the place on fire, I highly doubt that will happen based on last season with Burnley.

So can you not see how this window looks so utter shit? 1 position upgraded, compared to four or five last season.

the sad thing is, we only needed to upgrade two or three positions this window. Compared to almost a new team last year. And yet despite only needing two or three first team quality signings to elevate the squad, the club have completely fucked it. It's a shambles.

There is just no way any top club thinks signing three teenagers is sufficient. They should have been the icing on the cake. At United, Woolwich or City those signings are looked at as development prospects, not star signings.

It's just not good enough.

Now based off some preason games and 30 mins against relegation candidates Leicester, the club don't want to sign a no 6 because they think the kids are good enough.

How many 18 year old have we ever had at Spurs come in and smash it at Spurs? None for decades. Bale took about 2 years after signing to come good. Modric was about 22/23 when he signed for us and we are talking about two GOATS in football history.

Very unlikely Berg and Gray are that talented.

It's just not good enough for a supposed top club going for the CL. Shambolic window.
 
There was this a few days ago.


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Can only really rate the window at the end of the season, I don't know how good or bad any of the signings will end up. At the moment I'd give 6/10 because I think Solanke is a good signing and we have kept our best players. I think Ange needed to be given an 8 or 9/10 window for us to be really competitive imo, we have likely fallen well short of that but we'll only know for sure at the end of the season.

Can't really rate windows until players leave the club or end of their contracts really ;)
 
We don’t need depth

We have depth - we’ve been binned some truly fucking shit players like PEH, Royal, Skipp, Sess etc

We need two first team players to get shit like blow job and son out the side
Correct, you create depth by signing first 11 players who then relegate the likes of Johnson, Bissouma and Son (yes I said it), to bench / back up players.

Teenagers should always be looked at icing on the cake, they don't even count on your quota because of their age.
 
This one is a much tougher window to assess as the true impact will only be felt down the line.

Gray for 40m, Odobert for 30m, Solanke for 65m, Yang Min Hyuk for 15m. Obviously 3 of those players are 19 or younger so their potential impact won't be seen for a couple years.

So of course if these players do go on to be mustard, then it could be a great window when re-assessing in 2027. It could be a 9/10.

But I am highly inclined to agree with Aphex that for here and now, this was not a good window, as we didn't strengthen the first team at all, outside of one position, didn't address much needed depth for LB, CB, or CM, and essentially have left the season up to Bergvall, Gray, Moore, and Odobert being high level first team contributors despite being 18 years old.

I don't think we were ever going to focus completely on first team acquisitions for 2 main reasons :
1 Several of them had only been with us for one season and ones with us for longer had looked fine
2 Our real problem was lack of depth last season - that's why we struggled after Chelsea match, as 4 of our first team were lost in one match followed by Bentancur in next game and the rotation players available last season were not up to much

So this window to avoid those problems :

A Get a striker who can score goals and act as a focal point for attacks and I think the plan was always a 2nd forward.
B Add depth to as many areas as possible
C Need to move on dead wood - we had a full squad but too many not producing
D Need loans for promising youngsters who might become Club Trained so we can get more players into the squad - always going to take a couple of seasons unless we go back to buying KWP, Edwards et al
E Improve our HG position which forces us to buy HG players as we ae too short of them

Forwards
Solanke ticks lots of boxes, used to be lethal and technically good at Chelsea youth but lost his way before Bournemouth. Good choice to get a technically good striker who ticks lots of boxes given the small market for strikers and very over priced.
Odobert with 2 seasons in top leagues in France and PL could be a very good signing (as was the relatively inexperienced VDV versus the favourite Todibo last summer). he might be a slower burner but doubt very much he's a flop.
Bonus from youth are Lankshear and Moore, even if they are more for the future, could still play a part in EL for example. Yang Min-Hyuk looks technically good but playing in South Korean league which might be more L1 is a real wild card to assess.
So quite a lot of changes in forwards to look forward to this season which some fans donlt seem to have twigged,
Midfield
Gray and Bergvall - how often have we complained about missing out on 'the next big thing' So this time we've signed 2 very highly rated youngsters who seem good enough to be starters new but could be even better next season
Gray came as much on the back of his performances as RB last season, but actually looked very accomplished as CB in preseason.
Bergvall on limited viewing looks a real breath of fresh air. IMO its an upgrade (hence selling the more experienced Skipp), to add to Maddison, Bentancur, Bissouma and Sarr.
Defence
Dragusin arriving in January added hugely to CB depth as does the versatile Gray at RB and CB, and the rehabilitation of Spence RB/LB means our defensive depth is hugely better than last season

We have a full squad (maximum for us under uefa rules is 22 players due to us being short of 3 Club Trained players) - and more players to move on than we can squeeze into our permitted squad. So we might sign another player, but we are struggling to unload the ones we have - but we have done well to move the players on that we have.

We now have far more flexibility in players to buy for next season as we (as of today) have 7 HG players in Gray, Maddison, Spence, Solanke, Johnson, Davies, Forster of whom the last 2 have contracts for one more year, leaving us with 4 and ideally we need not less than 4. So that's a tricky objective achieved.

The issue with too many fans is focusing on the 'here and now' rather than looking at the way to get a better squad over the next couple of seasons.

Yes I'd have liked a couple of other players - but, for example I'd go for a new back up GK rather than the flashy forward that many fans would like, purely because we need one even though its not a 'sexy' choice.

And Ange has definitely made the choice to go for younger players who, as he said, can more easy train them in the ways he wants them to play, rather than more experienced players.

Next summer I expect to see a focus on evaluating the more established players and moving some of those on, which may be more popular with some fans, but it will not for those reasons, but because its the (rationale) next step to build a better squad.
 
Djed Spence was in the player of the year squad when signed, he didn't appear last season so he's new to the squad this season (not a new signing). His manager famously said "Champions League or Sunday League". Is he better than Emerson Royal? Homegrown

Lucas Bergvall all but joined FC Barcelona. Many regarded him as being one of the best young prospects in world football. He is untested at a high level football. Is he better than Oliver Skipp? Club Trained

Archie Gray is the third most expensive teenage signing in the history of the game (not that that is an important measure). He comes with extremely high praise from absolutely every Leeds Fan that has spoken about him. He is untested at a high level football. Is he better than Pierre Hojbjerg? Home grown

Dominic Solanke is this season's highest premier league transfer as of today (not that that is an important measure). He had one season in his entire career marked as a success in top flight football and has arrived with a massive expectation around his neck. Is he better than Richarlison? Home grown

Wilson Odobert has received eye watering praise from his former manager, along with fans of his former club Burnley. He has been relegated twice, yet to leave his teenage years. Is he better than Manor Solomon? Home grown
 
Djed Spence was in the player of the year squad when signed, he didn't appear last season so he's new to the squad this season (not a new signing). His manager famously said "Champions League or Sunday League". Is he better than Emerson Royal? Homegrown

Lucas Bergvall all but joined FC Barcelona. Many regarded him as being one of the best young prospects in world football. He is untested at a high level football. Is he better than Oliver Skipp? Club Trained

Archie Gray is the third most expensive teenage signing in the history of the game (not that that is an important measure). He comes with extremely high praise from absolutely every Leeds Fan that has spoken about him. He is untested at a high level football. Is he better than Pierre Hojbjerg? Home grown

Dominic Solanke is this season's highest premier league transfer as of today (not that that is an important measure). He had one season in his entire career marked as a success in top flight football and has arrived with a massive expectation around his neck. Is he better than Richarlison? Home grown

Wilson Odobert has received eye watering praise from his former manager, along with fans of his former club Burnley. He has been relegated twice, yet to leave his teenage years. Is he better than Manor Solomon? Home grown
Djed Spence, like a new signing.
 
In terms of outgoings, it's probably been a 9/10 window. We can't complain our squad is full of rubbish and then complain again that we've got rid of them. That gets bumped up to a 10/10 if we manage to get actual fees for Reguilon and Lo Celso.

Incoming wise, probably a 5 I would say *so far*.

Gray has huge potential, Solanke is great and Odobert is the right profile we need. I am not going to count Bergvall and Yang. One was signed last season and the other doesn't join us until January.

I think Spence showing he cares again is a huge asset and stops that rating from being bumped up somewhat due to not having to sign a back up right back.

And if we can get in a left back to compete with Udogie, that rating goes up to a 6 automatically.

Another midfield option on top of that and it'll go up to a 7

But based on the law averages, if the window closed tomorrow. It's a 5/10. Which isn't bad. Not great, just average and carried by the fact we've improved the overall squad big time with players that actually suit just with the key signings being abit of an unknown quantity.

We'll have to revisit at the mid way mark and then at the end of the season before we can really judge

Last year Vicario and Van De Ven were the cheap back up options remember?
 
I think we've had a diabolical window.

If you'd sat here and said we've have signed Werner back on loan, Gray, Solanke, and a young Burnley winger that literally nobody had heard of despite him playing in the PL last season, I wouldn't have believed it.

That isn't anything near enough. We haven't improved the first 11 at all, despite limping in the PL since November.

We may have just about improved at CF with Solanke, but that has yet to be seen, and I don't feel he is massively better than Richie, he's just more available.

We haven't improved in CM and we haven't improved our wide players. They were our biggest areas of concern this window!

With Son pretty much needing to be taken out to pastures new imminently, we are now faced with signing two top quality wide forwards rather than just one next season.

Relying on Gray and Bergvall is just mental for the season. They need to be eased in, same with Odobert, but we have basically with our transfer strategy decided to pin our season on three teenagers to close the gap to the top 2 / 4.

It's just funny how many fans bury their heads in the hand and think its all positive when we are being mugged off by the club, every season is the same and we always fall short. Levy just doesn't ever push the boat out and pay the money needed to get top deals over the line.

I'm just sick of our approach. it's never win now, always a project which never quite goes anywhere. When we were on the verge of actually challening, we didn't sign anyone at all. Where as Woolwich go out and spend 100 mill on Rice. Does anyone seriously believe if we finish 3rd next season, the club will push the boat out and sign two one or top tier players? It won't, it'll be another few kids or back up targets from clubs where Levy feels we can take advantage.

Going into season 2 of a new project it's imperative you improve the first team. Who is our alternative to Maddison when he stinks the place out again for 6 months or gets injured? Kulu? the guy we all wanted gone last season because he hasn't played well for about 18 months, but a few good preseason games and apparently he's good enough now?

Our top two targets were Eze and Neto? What happened? Wouldn't play the money for Eze and Neto we pissed around on the deal thinking we could save money and Chelsea swooped in. Same old story, we should have bene aggressive and signed him up weeks ago. I guarantee he would have signed for us if we'd agreed a deal earlier in the summer. But we waited for Chelsea to get their act together and that was it.

I'm not a fan of Ange, but this window to me has put the nail in the coffin for him. I think he's going to fail anyway, but this window has extinguished the last hope he had of success here.

By the time Gray and Berg and Odobert are lighting up the PL, if they ever do, it'll be about four or five years from now. By then Romero will be long gone, probably VDV too. and we will need half a dozen new players from elsewhere and the cycle continues.

As ever I hope I am wrong, I'll run around naked if we have a great season, but I'll be stunned.

A really good and thoughtful post in the main.

This isn't I don't think about expenditure though. Once again we have spent money, but it's the priorities that shake me somewhat.

On a personal note I don't think buying Neto would have been wise. Way too injury prone and let us not conveniently forget the basis under which that filthy club operate, hence the purchase. On Eze, I don't even know what his best position is. Buy him and play him where for example? He is a good player but....

I have no qualms with our acquisitions. I just think it's thin in the key area of central midfield and experience. Sort that and I might start to agree with the myopic pundits who for no reason I can decipher think we are stronger this season than last. Even if we were look at the teams around us.

If we don't add, not just to the squad but in a player who immediately threatens the midfield of our current starting 11, I think an average season beckons. No doubt at all.
 
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