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I talked about this one before the Copenhagen game. Despite what the Frank cultists will tell you, there is absolutely no excuse for that sort of output, that's tactical.
We must be the most one dimensional team in the league. Play for corners and throws, that's the plan.

Shite.
 
Outperforming your xG to such a degree would be more sustainable and therefore less worrisome for a team like let's say City, since someone like Haaland will never lose his ability to convert low percentage chances to goals.

But our massive discrepancy in that department at the moment is mainly about luck/statistical noise, since we clearly don't have some of the most clinical finishers in the league like those numbers imply.
 
2.14 xGA with a flat back 7 is more concerning than 0.06 xG with a frontline featuring Richarlison and Odobert.

More of an indictment of the former rather than an excuse for the latter, but you get the point.
 
Went back and watched the first goal again because it was so confusing how both Merino the passer and Trossard the runner were so open despite us sitting back with virtually everybody.

TLDR: Palhinha does a few things that are quite inexplicable and totally contradict his reputation as a destroyer, so I must conclude that it was by design on Frank's part.



Here's how it started. Not much to pick on here, other than Odobert giving Timber too much room to receive that pass. Whatever, no big deal.



Timber indeed receives the pass quite comfortably.



Now it gets interesting here. As you can see 3 players are in a great position to smother Timber to win the ball back. Palhinha in particular, the way he rushes towards Timber, looks like he's going to kick the crap out of him. Let's see what happens instead.



He decides to totally back down and give Timber the window to make a simple pass to a wide open Merino. What?





Now he's hurrying towards Merino to disrupt him instead. Right?



Wrong. He's backing down from a contest again, despite having a 5 man defense waiting behind him.



Palhinha drops so deep and gives Merino so much room that Richarlison feels compelled to close Merino down himself. Who's the destroyer and who's the striker here? You can also see Danso in the background ball watching and losing sight of the runner, but I think it's a secondary issue here.





Danso has completely lost the runner, and makes a last effort to get back in the play in vain. You know the rest.

Verdict: Despite apparently picking on Palhinha here, I think this sequence was the epitome of Frank's incredibly negative approach to yesterday's game in general. This guy's natural instinct is to tackle, and he also knew that he had the safety net of a back 5 behind him. Yet he went out of his way to avoid challenging opponents on the ball, trying to keep his defensive shape instead.
 
Went back and watched the first goal again because it was so confusing how both Merino the passer and Trossard the runner were so open despite us sitting back with virtually everybody.

TLDR: Palhinha does a few things that are quite inexplicable and totally contradict his reputation as a destroyer, so I must conclude that it was by design on Frank's part.



Here's how it started. Not much to pick on here, other than Odobert giving Timber too much room to receive that pass. Whatever, no big deal.



Timber indeed receives the pass quite comfortably.



Now it gets interesting here. As you can see 3 players are in a great position to smother Timber to win the ball back. Palhinha in particular, the way he rushes towards Timber, looks like he's going to kick the crap out of him. Let's see what happens instead.



He decides to totally back down and give Timber the window to make a simple pass to a wide open Merino. What?





Now he's hurrying towards Merino to disrupt him instead. Right?



Wrong. He's backing down from a contest again, despite having a 5 man defense waiting behind him.



Palhinha drops so deep and gives Merino so much room that Richarlison feels compelled to close Merino down himself. Who's the destroyer and who's the striker here? You can also see Danso in the background ball watching and losing sight of the runner, but I think it's a secondary issue here.





Danso has completely lost the runner, and makes a last effort to get back in the play in vain. You know the rest.

Verdict: Despite apparently picking on Palhinha here, I think this sequence was the epitome of Frank's incredibly negative approach to yesterday's game in general. This guy's natural instinct is to tackle, and he also knew that he had the safety net of a back 5 behind him. Yet he went out of his way to avoid challenging opponents on the ball, trying to keep his defensive shape instead.
Nicely presented. Will be keeping a keen eye out for this sort of shape before common sense nonsense in the foreseeable future!
 
TLDR: Just a brief illustration of the kind of dilemmas our midfielders had to navigate regularly while defending due to the huge mismatch between the teams' formations



Seems like there's nothing to see here, but looking at this closely you can see that both Bentancur and Odobert have decisions to make. Bentancur needs to decide between closing down on Zubimendi versus staying attached to Eze, and Odobert needs to decide between following Timber versus helping Bentancur by crowding the middle himself.

As you can also see, this 3v2 situation is primarily due to VdV the LCB keeping his defensive shape at the expense of marking nobody.



Bentancur eventually decides to cover Eze, while Odobert decides to help him by keeping his distance from Timber to sit narrow. The ball eventually finds it way back to the halfway line





Now, matchups are slightly different here. Zubimendi drops back and wide to drag Odobert away from Bentancur, so Bentancur can no longer rely on him to address the situation where he has to mark two players at once. Bentancur needs to decide between Eze and Timber this time, instead of Eze and Zubimendi earlier. VdV still doesn't mark anybody mind you.



Bentancur is in quite an unenviable position, stuck between two players.







Eze gets the ball because there's little Bentancur can do there to prevent it, and now Odobert has to drop back and cover Timber to address the 2v1 that Bentancur finds himself in. But then he's also probably worried about overcommitting to the middle and leaving Saka totally isolated with Udogie on the right.







The ball eventually finds it way to Saka out wide, and you can see how much space he has in a 1v1 with Udogie in case he wants to have a go at it. Odobert wouldn't be able to help due to the pattern outlined above.

Verdict: I think this mismatch between their 4-6-0 and our 5-2-3 where our CBs were sitting back and watching us get overrun in midfield was the main reason behind this defeat. Everything followed from there, including all that time their players had on the ball in dangerous areas to make things happen.
 
TLDR: Just a brief illustration of the kind of dilemmas our midfielders had to navigate regularly while defending due to the huge mismatch between the teams' formations



Seems like there's nothing to see here, but looking at this closely you can see that both Bentancur and Odobert have decisions to make. Bentancur needs to decide between closing down on Zubimendi versus staying attached to Eze, and Odobert needs to decide between following Timber versus helping Bentancur by crowding the middle himself.

As you can also see, this 3v2 situation is primarily due to VdV the LCB keeping his defensive shape at the expense of marking nobody.



Bentancur eventually decides to cover Eze, while Odobert decides to help him by keeping his distance from Timber to sit narrow. The ball eventually finds it way back to the halfway line





Now, matchups are slightly different here. Zubimendi drops back and wide to drag Odobert away from Bentancur, so Bentancur can no longer rely on him to address the situation where he has to mark two players at once. Bentancur needs to decide between Eze and Timber this time, instead of Eze and Zubimendi earlier. VdV still doesn't mark anybody mind you.



Bentancur is in quite an unenviable position, stuck between two players.







Eze gets the ball because there's little Bentancur can do there to prevent it, and now Odobert has to drop back and cover Timber to address the 2v1 that Bentancur finds himself in. But then he's also probably worried about overcommitting to the middle and leaving Saka totally isolated with Udogie on the right.







The ball eventually finds it way to Saka out wide, and you can see how much space he has in a 1v1 with Udogie in case he wants to have a go at it. Odobert wouldn't be able to help due to the pattern outlined above.

Verdict: I think this mismatch between their 4-6-0 and our 5-2-3 where our CBs were sitting back and watching us get overrun in midfield was the main reason behind this defeat. Everything followed from there, including all that time their players had on the ball in dangerous areas to make things happen.

Top post!
 
TLDR: Just a brief illustration of the kind of dilemmas our midfielders had to navigate regularly while defending due to the huge mismatch between the teams' formations



Seems like there's nothing to see here, but looking at this closely you can see that both Bentancur and Odobert have decisions to make. Bentancur needs to decide between closing down on Zubimendi versus staying attached to Eze, and Odobert needs to decide between following Timber versus helping Bentancur by crowding the middle himself.

As you can also see, this 3v2 situation is primarily due to VdV the LCB keeping his defensive shape at the expense of marking nobody.



Bentancur eventually decides to cover Eze, while Odobert decides to help him by keeping his distance from Timber to sit narrow. The ball eventually finds it way back to the halfway line





Now, matchups are slightly different here. Zubimendi drops back and wide to drag Odobert away from Bentancur, so Bentancur can no longer rely on him to address the situation where he has to mark two players at once. Bentancur needs to decide between Eze and Timber this time, instead of Eze and Zubimendi earlier. VdV still doesn't mark anybody mind you.



Bentancur is in quite an unenviable position, stuck between two players.







Eze gets the ball because there's little Bentancur can do there to prevent it, and now Odobert has to drop back and cover Timber to address the 2v1 that Bentancur finds himself in. But then he's also probably worried about overcommitting to the middle and leaving Saka totally isolated with Udogie on the right.







The ball eventually finds it way to Saka out wide, and you can see how much space he has in a 1v1 with Udogie in case he wants to have a go at it. Odobert wouldn't be able to help due to the pattern outlined above.

Verdict: I think this mismatch between their 4-6-0 and our 5-2-3 where our CBs were sitting back and watching us get overrun in midfield was the main reason behind this defeat. Everything followed from there, including all that time their players had on the ball in dangerous areas to make things happen.


This is just typical of the reactive approach of Frank. We've seen this all season. I just don't understand why people thought they'd get a different coach than the one he was at Brentford. It's as misguided as believing Paratici's nonsense about Nuno playing "attacking football" at Valencia.

I remember watching that fly on the wall documentary that followed Frank around at Brentford, and it went into the post match debrief of one of their games (bus park against Liverpool I think) with the other coaching staff and it highlighted some very similar (to us recently inc. Arse where people are getting lethargically pulled about ) very sloppy defending where they conceded a ton of good XG chances and Frank was like "just a bit off there but overall good work" just because Liverpool only actually scored 1 or 2. And a few of us were like "are you fucking serious, that was dogshit defending".

I mean the guy's had years of coaching the same shit. He had a whole pre season with us, and we can't even park a bus aggressively or coherently. And now he's got two games a week for months.

This squad is just not very good. Said it last year and it's barely improved this year. But it's hard to have as much sympathy for a coach who is trying to grind through games with such reactive, passive, negatively over simplistic tactics, ugly performances and still coming up with worse XG and XGA than the guy who played Russian Roulette every week.
 
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Went back and watched the first goal again because it was so confusing how both Merino the passer and Trossard the runner were so open despite us sitting back with virtually everybody.

TLDR: Palhinha does a few things that are quite inexplicable and totally contradict his reputation as a destroyer, so I must conclude that it was by design on Frank's part.



Here's how it started. Not much to pick on here, other than Odobert giving Timber too much room to receive that pass. Whatever, no big deal.



Timber indeed receives the pass quite comfortably.



Now it gets interesting here. As you can see 3 players are in a great position to smother Timber to win the ball back. Palhinha in particular, the way he rushes towards Timber, looks like he's going to kick the crap out of him. Let's see what happens instead.



He decides to totally back down and give Timber the window to make a simple pass to a wide open Merino. What?





Now he's hurrying towards Merino to disrupt him instead. Right?



Wrong. He's backing down from a contest again, despite having a 5 man defense waiting behind him.



Palhinha drops so deep and gives Merino so much room that Richarlison feels compelled to close Merino down himself. Who's the destroyer and who's the striker here? You can also see Danso in the background ball watching and losing sight of the runner, but I think it's a secondary issue here.





Danso has completely lost the runner, and makes a last effort to get back in the play in vain. You know the rest.

Verdict: Despite apparently picking on Palhinha here, I think this sequence was the epitome of Frank's incredibly negative approach to yesterday's game in general. This guy's natural instinct is to tackle, and he also knew that he had the safety net of a back 5 behind him. Yet he went out of his way to avoid challenging opponents on the ball, trying to keep his defensive shape instead.
Palinha is a massive, massive issue. He can tackle, but that's it. Puts us under pressure because when he gets the ball, it doesn't go anywhere near an advanced player, so opponents can spring their press. He's also technically terrible, so gets caught and will never progress the ball.

I can see why Bayern immediately binned him off. We need to do the same. But, Frank can't see that apparently. We're so much worse with him in the team. He's a such a liability in every other aspect of the game, he should only be rolled out a handful of times a year to do a job.
 
It's really quire impressive that off the back of a 17th placed season we're still producing record-breaking levels of shite under a new manager after spending pretty big in the summer. Hell, even Southampton would've been embarrassed to put up these kinds of numbers last season in one of the worst showings in PL history.

Starting to feel like it's a matter of WHEN rather than IF with Frank. Heard someone compare his appointment to Hodgson at Liverpool on a pod and it's looking very much like that sadly. Even if he lasts the season I'm doubtful he'll get another one.
 
As far as I know introduction of the 3rd CB, who also happened to be the 5th defender to form a back 5, came as a complementary measure to a tight man marking scheme where the other 2 CBs already had their hands full with 2 strikers. It was a 4v4 situation where 2 fullbacks were marking 2 wingers themselves. This additional defender, called sweeper, was supposed to sweep whatever any of those 4 defenders couldn't deal with adequately.

Back 3s or 5s have evolved since then, but the main reason why a lot of football fans still frown at them is that they emerged as a purely containing strategy.

Against Woolwich we essentially played with multiple sweepers that were sitting there and waiting for a through ball or a runner that they can sweep. Except Woolwich went the other way and decided to drop Eze and Merino between our lines to exploit all the space there, instead of having them run behind our defense like traditional strikers do.

The math is simple here: Since this is an 11v11 game and we had 2 or even 3 CBs not marking any particular individual for long periods, Woolwich must've enjoyed some serious numerical advantages in other areas of the pitch, notably the midfield. They in fact regularly created 2v1s and 3v2s in the middle to retain the possession to keep us chasing. Possession is not everything, but if you can't even get a sniff of the ball you'll get battered 9 times out of 10.

After a while this turned into us parking the bus, with even Richarlison dropping all the way in around our own third to address the said numerical disadvantage. Look where our striker Richarlison was trying to challenge theirs Merino just before that 1st goal, while we had 7 or 8 players behind the ball. If that is the kind of defending that Frank envisions for these sort of games, we might as well forfeit them.

Frank looked like that naive FM player that thinks putting everybody behind the ball while lowering the sliders on defensive line and closing down to a minimum constitutes solid team defense. We were also often surrendering these big games under the previous manager for different reasons, but this stung more.
 
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