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Transfers The Summer Transfer Edging Thread 2025

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He did, but he bankrupted us.

Had he not bankrupted us, Sugar would never have had the opportunity. I don't blame him for Sugar's sins, I blame him for his own.

Possibly. None of which excuses Scholar for what he ACTUALLY did, which was almost kill our club. Floating us on the stock exchange cleared our debt short term, but was ultimately a failure which landed us in bigger debt that our other directors had to bail us out of with loans. The East stand expansion put us even deeper into the mire then, to add insult to injury, he used us to shore up his failing textile businesses.

He may have had a vision, but he didn't have the skillset to make it work.

He is the single biggest reason why we ended up slogging it out in the bottom half for better than a decade. Sugar just kept us treading water.

Of all the Chairmen we've had, it's Scholar that deserves our vitriole more than any.
It's no forgiveness of Scholar's failures to note that Spurs in 1991 were not in terribly dire straits by the standards of the very rocky football business of that period. He didn't "almost kill the club", that's overstating it. He put the club in financial trouble badly needing outside investment, at a time when that sort of outside investment at a club as big as Spurs was reasonably easy to come by.

Had the right buyer come along in that moment, Spurs could easily have been Woolwich in the 90's, nothing Scholar did closed off that outcome, it was entirely Sugar's lack of understanding of the way the game was changing.

Scholar knew what Sugar didn't, he just implemented that knowledge recklessly and ran out of time and money. That's bad, you can't absolve him from blame for the problems he was responsible for, but he also moved the club's business forward, and he won things.

There are a lot of ways to look at Scholar, Sugar and Levy as a group, but singling out Scholar of the three as an evildoer doesn't make very much sense, imho.
 
But they did in fact get it right.

It's not rocket science, the clubs that have massive fanbases (as we and Liverpool do, and United does to an even greater degree across the globe) are going to continue generating the funds that allow for continued opportunities to compete at the top level.

Every last penny is the fans, we ARE the game in the literal, concrete, irrevocable sense.
Not any more we're not. You think that Chelsea, then Man City, hoovered up trophies because of their fanbase?

The game is the plaything of Billionaires and corporations now, us fans are just a small part of it.

Al Hilal have an average attendance of around 15,000, yet they spend millions on buying players, then pay them millions more in wages. The fans are superfluous to them. Newcastle have a fanbase more or less isolated to their city, you can get a season ticket there for £362! You think they spend based on what they make from their fans?

Football is now just the new Gladiator sport, used by the wealthy to keep the mob in line. Other than that, fans are largely irrelevant.
 
Enter MC & CFC cheating & sportswashing their way to dominance.

4 + 2 = 6 is pretty fkn basic (and illustrative) maths.
This “cheating and sports washing” results in trophies and little punishment I don’t think either fanbase give a fuck about fake morality from other billion pound corporations.

Also enter an unprecedented dry trophy spell resulting in 2 trophies in 25 years. If our ownership is unable to compete with clubs we used to be ahead of maybe it’s time to sell up to somebody who can…
 
Sugar should always shoulder most of the blame. He wanted to turn us into Wimbledon, he made Bill Nic pay for his tickets, he fell out constantly with people, thought Bergkamp (who wanted to come here) would fail, appointed Ardiles Francis, Gross and Graham. Bloke only got involved to sell satellite dishes. He never gave one fuck about the club.

Levy got some slack at the start because of this and broadly until around 2015 he did ok with caveats. Since then he's been abysmal. He's stuck in the past and for all intense and purposes has given up on trying to be competitive. If he'd have gone 2017 /18 or even when the stadium opened he'd be thought of very differently. Now he just looks stale and without a clue how to put us back in the big time. Someone who has outstayed his welcome by several years.
 
How can I know the exact answer to that question?

I have however stated on multiple occasions that I think we need an additional striker, so that is 3 if we keep Richarlison, or2 more if he is sold. Someone who scores more than Solanke is likely to is important in my view.

I think our midfield lacks both quality and depth, so.....

And I think we need another 1/2 in defence.

Anyone who thinks our current squad can bring us more than top 6 at best is going to be very disappointed.

Yeah, you're right. An impossible question. Let me rephrase; who would you keep out of the current squad
 
Sugar should always shoulder most of the blame. He wanted to turn us into Wimbledon, he made Bill Nic pay for his tickets, he fell out constantly with people, thought Bergkamp (who wanted to come here) would fail, appointed Ardiles Francis, Gross and Graham.

Levy got some slack at the start because of this and broadly until around 2015 he did ok with caveats. Since then he's been abysmal. He's stuck and the past and for all intense and purposes has given up on trying to be competitive. If he'd have gone 2017 /18 or even when the stadium opened he'd be thought of very differently. Now he just looks stale and without a clue how to put us back in the big time. Someone who has outstayed his welcome by several years.
I think that is fairly balanced , a lot more balanced than I am / should be . However I really dislike Lewis as a man and I wouldn’t fancy a pint with Daniel
 
Levy get criticised for stating that he wants to win the league and the CL, but people were upset with him when he apparently said "winning is hard" which turned out to not be true anyway and when he gave watches to our players before the CL final.

Can we pick a lane please guys? 🙏
Not this shiete again, I’ve provided the quoted twice now, he said ver fucking batim “winning is difficult” - people hard one word wrong but the context is exactly the same
 
This “cheating and sports washing” results in trophies and little punishment I don’t think either fanbase give a fuck about fake morality from other billion pound corporations.

Also enter an unprecedented dry trophy spell resulting in 2 trophies in 25 years. If our ownership is unable to compete with clubs we used to be ahead of maybe it’s time to sell up to somebody who can…
Those fan bases grew massively when they won stuff. Most of those fans are plastics and glory hunters.

They were both tiny clubs before the cheating and they still are scum.

Chelsea’s success and their fake fans can suck a dick. Not envious at all.
 
Im Out GIF
 
Sugar should always shoulder most of the blame. He wanted to turn us into Wimbledon, he made Bill Nic pay for his tickets, he fell out constantly with people, thought Bergkamp (who wanted to come here) would fail, appointed Ardiles Francis, Gross and Graham. Bloke only got involved to sell satellite dishes. He never gave one fuck about the club.

Levy got some slack at the start because of this and broadly until around 2015 he did ok with caveats. Since then he's been abysmal. He's stuck in the past and for all intense and purposes has given up on trying to be competitive. If he'd have gone 2017 /18 or even when the stadium opened he'd be thought of very differently. Now he just looks stale and without a clue how to put us back in the big time. Someone who has outstayed his welcome by several years.

I actually agree with most of this.....

The only part I'd contest is the 2015-ish cut-off point.....

The fact is that between 2016 and 2019 we were more competitive than at any point since the early 80s despite having little money to spend on players whilst we built the stadium; and we didn't have to sell our star players to keep afloat (unlike what happened to the scum when they built the new death star*).

To deny the Poch era (proper league challenges, great players, great football and CL final) AND the new stadium itself as positives of the ENIC-era would be entirely flawed.

Is Levy yesterday's man? I also think that's fair.

As I said in relation to his 'We want to win the league" comments...... I think he just thinks "My model got us close to the EPL & CL with Poch... We can do that again". The odds are he'll be proved wrong about that, but it doesn't mean it was some devious statement intended to dupe fans into thinking we'd blow 200, 300, 400million this summer.

.......The latter interpretation (which I'm not attributing to you, Sir AC) is just disingenuous, forum-politicking BS from the typical suspects of TFC.



(*Notably it took 20 years for them to get back to mounting legit title challenges.)
 
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This “cheating and sports washing” results in trophies and little punishment I don’t think either fanbase give a fuck about fake morality from other billion pound corporations.

It's not about fake morality... It shouldn't have been allowed and everyone suffered as a result.

Also enter an unprecedented dry trophy spell resulting in 2 trophies in 25 years.

Well yeh.... Which conicides with the shitty fkn petro-murder-ball era.

Note: since CFC & MC's cheating shat all over our league:

Man U - 13 years and counting since their last EPL title.
AFC - 22 years and counting since their last EPL title.
LFC - It took them 20 years after Abramovic arrived to win their first league title in 30 years.
 
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Hearing (well, reading) that Spurs have shown an interest in Noah Edjouma, some 19yo forward from Toulouse. Scored 2 goals in 10 games last season. Valued at less than 1mil and wages would be like 10k pw tops.

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