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Transfers The Summer Transfer Edging Thread 2025

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Spursidol said:
Don't disagree - but worth remembering that most of Poch's team did not arrive as ready made - eg Eriksen was a good player at a middle ranking club, as was Vertonghen, whilst Alderweireld same other than he'd mistakenly moved to Madrid who didn't play him etc.

Most of the Poch team became top players at Spurs - and we hope a number of Spurs current squad develop similarly
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I'd agree probably none of this first XI gets into the peak Poch side (there's a case to be made for Johnson vs Lamela/Lucas I would argue, Johnson feeding off the intelligence of Kane and the work rate of peak Son would probably double his already decent output), but the side Poch inherited was probably weaker than the one we are handing to Frank.
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
So, how many players have we signed then since Takai?

Still keeping the powder dry? Kudus talks somehow died on their arse or what?
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Looks like Kudus talks have accelerated if all the stuff from the likes of Ornstein etc is true.

Sounds like player is set on spurs and personal terms agreed. Fee being negotiated.

I’m going to semi-stick my neck out and say this gets done for £60-£65m. We’ve been here before though.
 
Spursidol said:
Our worst transfer business was 2016 through to 2019 - our best incoming players Moura and Sanchez neither of whom really cemented a starting place.

Plus Poch stopped youth development in its tracks by stopping players going on loan, which meant no pathway to Spurs first team leading to likes of Madueke joining PSV rather than stay at Spurs .....

So Poch great at coaching players scouted before he joined, but a bad influence on replacing them.
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Yeah he was the same at espanyol and southampton - brilliant with what he had available, abysmal at signing players (eg. Osvaldo - twice!)
 
Mostly wrong said:
I'd agree probably none of this first XI gets into the peak Poch side (there's a case to be made for Johnson vs Lamela/Lucas I would argue, Johnson feeding off the intelligence of Kane and the work rate of peak Son would probably double his already decent output), but the side Poch inherited was probably weaker than the one we are handing to Frank.
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I'm going to say it, and I don't care - I'd put Vic in over Lloris all day.

Hugo won us moments but I think he was part of the reason we never really got over the line. It was Vorm who got us to most of our semis and finals, and then got usurped for Hugo in the big games
 
Spursidol said:
Don't disagree - but worth remembering that most of Poch's team did not arrive as ready made - eg Eriksen was a good player at a middle ranking club, as was Vertonghen, whilst Alderweireld same other than he'd mistakenly moved to Madrid who didn't play him etc.

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I am hoping Frank can improve them massively , he will need to. Our depth for a CL campaign is ridiculously weak I fear
 
CJJ said:
Yeah he was the same at espanyol and southampton - brilliant with what he had available, abysmal at signing players (eg. Osvaldo - twice!)
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Osvaldo a disasterous signing for both Espanyol and Southampton,, dismissed from both clubs, at Southampton possibly lucky to escape GBH charges for attacking another Southampton player at training ground, Cost both clubs the ability to sell the player !
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Most of these players don’t get a sniff in Poch’s team . However if you think the squad is decent that is your prerogative , personally I think we are miles off . We need 3 quality experienced signings as a min in my opinion. One thing we can probably agree on is it is not happening
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I think this is the dilemma most teams have. I reckon that we could all go through every team in the league and point out a couple of positions that aren't good enough for either starters or depth.

ATM I think we're missing a full-back or wing-back - possibly more complex, depending on how frank sets up. I expect he'll suit what we have already in his approach, so either one or both LWB/RWB - ideally one to rotate/push Porro/Udogie, and one to backup (leaving some allowance for if Spence doesn't step up)
 
CJJ said:
I'm going to say it, and I don't care - I'd put Vic in over Lloris all day.

Hugo won us moments but I think he was part of the reason we never really got over the line. It was Vorm who got us to most of our semis and finals, and then got usurped for Hugo in the big games
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Hugo's drop off came fast but IMO he was amazing for the first 3-4 seasons in a Spurs shirt and certainly a much better keeper than Vicario if comparing peak-for-peak.
 
CJJ said:
I think this is the dilemma most teams have. I reckon that we could all go through every team in the league and point out a couple of positions that aren't good enough for either starters or depth.

ATM I think we're missing a full-back or wing-back - possibly more complex, depending on how frank sets up. I expect he'll suit what we have already in his approach, so either one or both LWB/RWB - ideally one to rotate/push Porro/Udogie, and one to backup (leaving some allowance for if Spence doesn't step up)
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We have CL and we have no decent cover for Solanke , Richi gets nowhere near a top 6 team even if he stays fit . Our midfield is basically decent prospects and an in and out of form / injuries Madders. The others are not CL quality and never will be . Son is past it and we have nobody even close to him at his best ,

Anyway I rate Frank so hoping he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear , working for Levy he will need to
 
Mostly wrong said:
Hugo's drop off came fast but IMO he was amazing for the first 3-4 seasons in a Spurs shirt and certainly a much better keeper than Vicario if comparing peak-for-peak.
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He was a world class shot stopper, but I never saw him look anything but erratic and nervous in big games. Lucky in the WC final that they weren't depending on a keeper.

I wouldn't really say his first 3-4 seasons, as his first two were under AVB and sherwood. Maybe 14/15 until 17/8, but I think a large part of that was the quality of the defence. Same reason I have never rated casillas and valdes as anywhere near world class (just my opinion)
 
CJJ said:
I'm going to say it, and I don't care - I'd put Vic in over Lloris all day.

Hugo won us moments but I think he was part of the reason we never really got over the line. It was Vorm who got us to most of our semis and finals, and then got usurped for Hugo in the big games
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Love your posts but that’s a wild take about a World Cup winning captain.

Is your take that Vorm was better than Hugo?

Or that beating Colchester is harder than Chelsea?
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Most of these players don’t get a sniff in Poch’s team . However if you think the squad is decent that is your prerogative , personally I think we are miles off . We need 3 quality experienced signings as a min in my opinion. One thing we can probably agree on is it is not happening
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Time to let the Poch squad go.

They were great but they didn’t win anything. Ultimately, it’s a squad that failed to deliver on its promise.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Most of these players don’t get a sniff in Poch’s team . However if you think the squad is decent that is your prerogative , personally I think we are miles off . We need 3 quality experienced signings as a min in my opinion. One thing we can probably agree on is it is not happening
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People were saying the same about the squad Poch inherited that shat the bed under AVB and Sherwood. This squad has talent that was not utilised correctly.
 
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I am using Poch squad as a measurement in a debate about our squad being miles off competing in a CL and PL campaign . Some people think we are decent , I think our first eleven bar 4 or 5 is average and the depth is non existent
 
Mostly wrong said:
Hugo's drop off came fast but IMO he was amazing for the first 3-4 seasons in a Spurs shirt and certainly a much better keeper than Vicario if comparing peak-for-peak.
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It’s interesting how Lloris went from being too good for some of the sides he was in between 2012-2015, being lined up by United as their De Gea replacement if that fax machine thing never happened.

Then the squad takes that leap in 15/16 and from then on, season by season the roles reversed and the club became too good for him. He was never bad of course but from that point at least I personally never felt like the opposition went into matches wondering how they’d get one past him. And he absolutely loved letting in any shot across goal.
 
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