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Transfers The Winter Transfer Thread - 25/26

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Robinson, Garner, Minteh, Thiago are the best performing players in positions we need from the sides in our vicinity in the table.

Maybe, but they’re not the only players in those positions that we can sign, and they’re certainly not the best players we can sign in those positions.

Once upon a time, Bissouma, Palhinha, Maddison, Johnson, Kudus, Solanke & Richarlison were among the best players in their positions in the league too.
 
Please sign a classy deep lying playmaker who's an elite passer and comfortable with the ball even when being pressed, preferably over the age of 22.

And I promise I won't call you a rapist sheltering gooner cunt until the summer.
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Or...my curveball...

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Yes. Him. I know, I know...he's ancient (34yo), been playing in the shitty Saudi league in front of fake fans/paid actors, and obviously yeah, he's ex-Chelsea. But the man is still a top player, still got a great engine on him, can still make runs & pick passes our current CMs can only dream of. God knows I don't like Deschamps much, but I trust his judgement and he's recalled Kante for the NT and very likely he'll make their WC squad, probably even start.

If we can't sign a Locatelli or similar caliber in January, Kante (who wants to come back to Europe) on a short-term deal would be the next best thing imho. Get him to come in for 6 months, do his thing, mentor the kids like Archie, Berg & Pape...that's a proper elite role model for them, unlike JP & the racist cunt. You know the man would give 110% each and every game, each & every practice session...that's just what he does, who he is. Then if he still wants to go back to France to join Paris FC in the summer, let him go and sign a Locatelli type.
 
You do know that Leao is a massive cunt and uber lazy & selfish?

Mitoma's form has nosedived over the past year.
LB - Raum or Robinson
Both (very) injury-prone, what's the point?

I would also not extend palhinhas loan and I would sell Sarr and bring in 2 out of these 3 for midfield to elevate our in possession game:

Angelo Stiller
Ruben Neves
Billy gilmour
Stiller, yes...but injury record a slight concern.
Neves, maybe.
Gilmour, nope.
Would also replace Richarlison with Adam Hlozek.
Kid was exciting 4 years ago. He's done very little since to warrant a move to Spurs. I don't even think he's at Tel’s level right now. A definite no, even more so when you factor in his horrible injury record.
 
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Or...my curveball...

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Yes. Him. I know, I know...he's ancient (34yo), been playing in the shitty Saudi league in front of fake fans/paid actors, and obviously yeah, he's ex-Chelsea. But the man is still a top player, still got a great engine on him, can still make runs & pick passes our current CMs can only dream of. God knows I don't like Deschamps much, but I trust his judgement and he's recalled Kante for the NT and very likely he'll make their WC squad, probably even start.

If we can't sign a Locatelli or similar caliber in January, Kante (who wants to come back to Europe) on a short-term deal would be the next best thing imho. Get him to come in for 6 months, do his thing, mentor the kids like Archie, Berg & Pape...that's a proper elite role model for them, unlike JP & the racist cunt. You know the man would give 110% each and every game, each & every practice session...that's just what he does, who he is. Then if he still wants to go back to France to join Paris FC in the summer, let him go and sign a Locatelli type.


The one that I've been thinking would be perfect is the German fella Stiller, but I like Locatelli too, also nicoclaesen 's choice, Nevis.

I Kante see the club signing the other one you mentioned.
 
For a pass to make sense, it's not sufficient for it to be available is it?

It must also be offering the potential recipient a clear option in the form of a shot, a pass, a cross or whatever. Otherwise it's pointless at best, detrimental at worst.

What I mean will become more clear soon hopefully.

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There's a pass here, but what's the point? Palhinha is looking straight at VDV, and doesn't seem like he has any intention other than passing it straight back in case he gets it.

Bentancur knows too: See his left arm pointing at Romero's direction.



I don't think the pass to Bentancur, illustrated with red dotted arrow, is on.

The pass to Palhinha is on obviously; but again, what's the point? He's already pointing at VDV as an indication of his intentions in case he gets the ball.



The pass is on to both players here, but they're both being watched closely. And they're hardly the type that will receive the ball in a tight area, pull a sharp half turn to shake off the defender(s) before creating himself the opening to burst forward with the ball or make a forward pass .That's where the inadequate player profile becomes a serious hindrance.

To make matters worse, since spacing is so bad, as soon as one gets the ball the two Brentford players could double team him without worrying about the other guy. Recipe for disaster knowing the said player profile.

Even the commentator felt compelled to mention how ridiculously close they were standing.



I deliberately widened the screenshot to the fullest to make a few points here:

-Look at all that space. Illustrates the essentiality of having a good ball carrier / passer that can get his team out of these high press situations on a regular basis. We don't need 10 signings to sort this mess out: Even a progressive passer or two would do a world of difference.

-The pass to Bentancur that was there momentarily is no longer on. Brentford's #27 has anticipated it. Besides, what I said above regarding the rubbish spacing indicates that Bentancur would've most likely gotten blindsided by Brentford's #6 even if it was on.

-The pass to Palhinha is on, but #6 is also in a good spot to harrass him in case the former gets the ball. Would you fancy Palhinha in such a battle against any midfielder in the league where he had to be the creator instead of the disruptor? I wouldn't.



Pass the ball in these situations to a player with Palhinha's skillset, and watch it go back to the keeper in no time in the outlined fashion. That's what Porro eventually decided to do himself.

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My takeaways:
  1. Watching these two play together for a good few months, I'm reasonably confident that they have little interest in actually getting the ball in those situations: They act more as decoys to drag the opposing midfielders further up the pitch, presumably to create opportunities for long balls to frontline players where they could be isolated with their individual defenders .​
  2. As hinted already, Frank is fully enabling this. That's part of his plan to bypass the midfield to presumably minimize the turnovers inside our own half. I jested that I wouldn't put it past Frank to turn Wharton of all people to a sideways-backwards specialist; but the more probable outcome would be for him to turn even the best deep playmaker to a passenger instead.​
  3. Like I said, this issue goes way deeper than these two midfielders .It's been there for quite some time. It also drove Ange to a point of desparation where he, to obtain that deep playmaking / ball carrying from somewhere, felt compelled to field kamikaze midfield trios featuring Maddison and Kulusevski as CMs in season two in particular.​
  4. If we don't bring in anybody that fits that description this January, the best bet would be to turn Simons into a CM somehow. No other player in the current squad even has an outside chance of being that guy; and this current situation where we're 12th despite setting unbreakable records in overachieving our xG is not sustainable.​
Excellent work. I find it funny that there are a handful of people on the forum who fully understand the game they are watching. There's a bunch that dont but as one of the former group are you not dismayed by how obvious some of the teams issues are and how blind the coaching and recruitment staff seem to it.
 
You do know that Leao is a massive cunt and uber lazy & selfish?

Mitoma's form has nosedived over the past year.

Both (very) injury-prone, what's the point?


Stiller, yes...but injury record a slight concern.
Neves, maybe.
Gilmour, nope.

Kid was exciting 4 years ago. He's done very little since to warrant a move to Spurs. I don't even think he's at Tel’s level right now. A definite no, even more so when you factor in his horrible injury record.
Trying to be realistic... we dont eat at the top table

if Leao is a massive cunt then probably not.

Not really understanding this Mitoma has fell off... hes had like 12 G/As from like 24 games since last January..
hes been injured for a couple months

Raum and Robinson are quality players and players do get over injuries.

Them 3 midfielders all pass better from deep, better than anyone we have and are all tempo setters that can actually control a football match.

Hlozek is a bit of a gamble but again he is actually a good quality footballer and not a donkey
 
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This place sure is strange if any of you believe Jamie Donley is better than Bergvall, Bentancur… any of our midfielders, in any way. Can we join the real world? He’s not even getting game time for fucking Stoke City.
If you think simply better than player X or Y is the only answer to building football teams im not sure the world you inhabit is any more real. I recall how well he played against city in the cup its about balance.

The usefulness of some of our youth players short term is a far more nuanced debate than say Xavi good Donnely bad. How big is that gap do you think? Because the point is bigger than Donnely. Short term a braver coach can use what he has as opposed to pissing away 58 million on a Simmons who may athletically be no better than some of the kids. This is the substantive point.

Pochettino used Bentaleb and Mason short term to get an incremental gain. Were they long term fixes no they weren't, no more than a Donnely or Ajayi might be, but they dont have to be 'better' just have utility for our current issue. Nuance ....
 
If you think simply better than player X or Y is the only answer to building football teams im not sure the world you inhabit is any more real. I recall how well he played against city in the cup its about balance.

The usefulness of some of our youth players short term is a far more nuanced debate than say Xavi good Donnely bad. How big is that gap do you think? Because the point is bigger than Donnely. Short term a braver coach can use what he has as opposed to pissing away 58 million on a Simmons who may athletically be no better than some of the kids. This is the substantive point.

Pochettino used Bentaleb and Mason short term to get an incremental gain. Were they long term fixes no they weren't, no more than a Donnely or Ajayi might be, but they dont have to be 'better' just have utility for our current issue. Nuance ....
The idea that Donley is anywhere near Mason or Bentaleb is absolutely hilarious and putting Ajayi in the conversation with them is insulting. What are we doing here? A 19 year old Bentaleb turned up in the PL and was at home straight away. These takes are appalling honestly. The only academy players we currently have anywhere near being PL level talents, that’s talents, not ready are LWB and Moore. The rest aren’t anywhere near it.
 
The idea that Donley is anywhere near Mason or Bentaleb is absolutely hilarious and putting Ajayi in the conversation with them is insulting. What are we doing here? A 19 year old Bentaleb turned up in the PL and was at home straight away. These takes are appalling honestly. The only academy players we currently have anywhere near being PL level talents, that’s talents, not ready are LWB and Moore. The rest aren’t anywhere near it.
Bentaleb was a deeply average player who long term may be no better than Donnely.Mason likewise do they have the same amount of International caps? I tell you what we are not doing here or anywhere else is the idiotic binary of "better" than. You can be far more imaginative than that.

Because though as colourful pointed out you seem obsessed by Donnely the point is about short term use of resources. You dont have to be wedded to the idea that a less athletic but better passing player can NOT be useful under certain circumstances because you simply dont rate them. Its about opinions and I see no one here making exaggerated claims on behalf of any player just a openess to being braver in using ALL our squad academy players in an emergency.
 
Bentaleb was a deeply average player who long term may be no better than Donnely.Mason likewise do they have the same amount of International caps? I tell you what we are not doing here or anywhere else is the idiotic binary of "better" than. You can be far more imaginative than that.

Because though as colourful pointed out you seem obsessed by Donnely the point is about short term use of resources. You dont have to be wedded to the idea that a less athletic but better passing player can NOT be useful under certain circumstances because you simply dont rate them. Its about opinions and I see no one here making exaggerated claims on behalf of any player just a openess to being braver in using ALL our squad academy players in an emergency.
Bentaleb did alright when sherwood was in charge. Poch tried him out for a season but realised didnt have a future. I quite liked bentaleb tbh. Cultured player.
 
Bentaleb was a deeply average player who long term may be no better than Donnely.Mason likewise do they have the same amount of International caps? I tell you what we are not doing here or anywhere else is the idiotic binary of "better" than. You can be far more imaginative than that.

Because though as colourful pointed out you seem obsessed by Donnely the point is about short term use of resources. You dont have to be wedded to the idea that a less athletic but better passing player can NOT be useful under certain circumstances because you simply dont rate them. Its about opinions and I see no one here making exaggerated claims on behalf of any player just a openess to being braver in using ALL our squad academy players in an emergency.
Bentaleb was average for PL level, something Donley will never achieve, let alone at 19/20. I’ve nothing against Donley I just don’t rate him and have always found the idea he could play for our first team absolute nonsense. We saw a far better young player in Gray not get anywhere near opponents in the last 2 matches, what exactly would Donley achieve?
 

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Bullshit.
He has played for both Liverpool and Villa this season and cannot play for a 3rd club.
Unless they changed the rules?

There's an exception to that rule that allows players to play for a 3rd club that plays under in a league with an opposing calendar (aka, league runs summer/autumn as opposed to winter/spring) - MLS, Sweden, Denmark, Japan and Korea off the top of my head, probably quite a few more.
Ireland too so we could probably theoretically play Melia in Jan and then still loan him out (obviously no chance of us playing him).
 
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LW- Leao or Mitoma

LB - Raum or Robinson

I would also not extend palhinhas loan and I would sell Sarr and bring in 2 out of these 3 for midfield to elevate our in possession game:

Angelo Stiller
Ruben Neves
Billy gilmour

Would also replace Richarlison with Adam Hlozek.
Angelo Stiller now thats a proper footballer face give him some beard and a mullet haircut and he could be the modern day ivanov
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