He should have put his foot down and said he didn’t want Tel. Could have said let me see what we have abd leave options open. Yes it may have been agreed already but I’m frank would have been consulted. However I guess it comes down to the awful recruitment over last couple of years. Whoever is responsible should be sacked whether it be Lange or Fab. Shocking amount of money wasted on those forwards highlighted by the fact we still need to improve in that area even after spending over £200M.
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No matter how hard of a hand you think he's been dealt, things won't get much better before the next summer at the earliest when Maddison returns -in what shape we don't know- and -hopefully- some serious quality gets added to the frontline.
Can he afford to carry on struggling against the likes of Wolves and Bodo in the meantime? If not, where is the improvement going to come from? Are we pinning our hopes on RKM and Solanke like some wishfully did with Romero and VdV for most of last season?
You can genuinely wonder these without necessarily calling for his head.
Can he afford to carry on struggling against the likes of Wolves and Bodo in the meantime? If not, where is the improvement going to come from? Are we pinning our hopes on RKM and Solanke like some wishfully did with Romero and VdV for most of last season?
You can genuinely wonder these without necessarily calling for his head.
You didn't give reasons at all. Just scenarios that might happen.
Even if we don't win tomorrow, but there's little green shoots of recovery with our play with the ball, and also, not give them half an hour to do what they want, then I could very easily be persuaded that things might turn around. But I'm not confident of it. I'm expecting another bore fest, which is a struggle for the majority of the game. I desperately hope I'm wrong, but I'm not optimistic.
Why would you assume he doesn't want Tel? He's a 20 year old that was, not long ago, bought by Bayern for £50m.
Frank has turned far less into far more. I'm sure he knows what he's doing and it's not necessarily a quick process
We are still crying out for creativity. Simons can bring that in a run of games in the 10 role.
Bergval can sit deeper and therefore bring the ball from deep to find Simons.
Paliniha sitting and protecting. I believe we don't need a double pivot in most games as our back 4/3 are proficient enough to deal with the majority of sides.
Currently we all know that of the 3 areas that exist it's the wide areas and not having a dominant number 9 that concerns most of us?
Personally I'd try and overcome this by playing a 3-4-1-2. Let Porro, Udogie or Spence provide the width, along with Kudus, cutting in to cause uncertainty and damage in and around the box and and have Richy as the central focus (I know but..)
Right here and now my preferred starting 11 against most sides would be...
Kinsky.
Romero. Danso. Vdv. (3)
Porro. Paliniha. Bergval. Udogie or Spence. (4)
Xavi. (1)
Kudus. Richy. (2). Even Kudus. Johnson playing a poachers role until we are able to attract a proper number 9, unless RKM blows us all away when given his chance?
Bergval can sit deeper and therefore bring the ball from deep to find Simons.
Paliniha sitting and protecting. I believe we don't need a double pivot in most games as our back 4/3 are proficient enough to deal with the majority of sides.
Currently we all know that of the 3 areas that exist it's the wide areas and not having a dominant number 9 that concerns most of us?
Personally I'd try and overcome this by playing a 3-4-1-2. Let Porro, Udogie or Spence provide the width, along with Kudus, cutting in to cause uncertainty and damage in and around the box and and have Richy as the central focus (I know but..)
Right here and now my preferred starting 11 against most sides would be...
Kinsky.
Romero. Danso. Vdv. (3)
Porro. Paliniha. Bergval. Udogie or Spence. (4)
Xavi. (1)
Kudus. Richy. (2). Even Kudus. Johnson playing a poachers role until we are able to attract a proper number 9, unless RKM blows us all away when given his chance?
it's eight fucking game!!! EIGHT. FUCKING. GAMES! We are 4th in the league, unbeaten in the CL, with a much improved defense. Please shut up and be patient. Come november you can return here with you shit narrative.
I won't count on Maddison tbh. At least Kulusevski may return this year.
Bought by Bayern for £50m ? Seriously, That can’t be right can it ?
You're mis-contextualising Xg .and viewing it in a vacuum and not appreciating contributing factors and, also, limitations to Xg stat.
Hence, you're position is unreasonable.
The worst thing about current stat climate is it makes people think they know what they're talking about by just presenting them.
Those who are intent to make the environment wholly toxic around this manager will get on with it, regardless.
#CookedFanbase
Sorry it was about £30m, but still
Yes agree to some extent. I’d just like Frank to adopt an iriola or glassner system. Both their teams look solid and attack with intent. May be don’t have the players especially in forward positions but then that is where you try play a more passing game with lots of movement but like Brighton. Mind again half our forwards couldn’t trap a bag of cement. Thats why I have advocated keeping some of academy players learn under franks coaching team and integrate them into the style of football. Let’s see where we go but franks has defo got to settle on a preferred style of football which cannot be low block bollocks. We can’t be going back to those days again.
We have to be (very) patient - Frank is dealing with a forward line of limited quality and a mid-field which is presently lacking in depth (Maddison and Kulu will help there, but they are not world-beaters). The backline is OK (most of the time) and the two main keepers are adequate if a little flaky occasionally (eg Vicario's left foot howler against Bodo led to their second goal).
There is not one player in our forwards or mid-field that would make a Liverpool or Woolwich side.
We have some very promising younger players (Bergvall, Gray etc) but they will take a year or two to develop to the level we need.
Frank's problem is that the inadequacies of our forwards mean that he cannot (easily) have an attacking strategy. So I sense that he is playing things safe.
Despite the fact that we have spent huge sums on players and on our stadium we have to live with the fact that, as I said on another forum, 10th might be our lot this season given the squad we have and the additional demands of CL and English cup football.
There is not one player in our forwards or mid-field that would make a Liverpool or Woolwich side.
We have some very promising younger players (Bergvall, Gray etc) but they will take a year or two to develop to the level we need.
Frank's problem is that the inadequacies of our forwards mean that he cannot (easily) have an attacking strategy. So I sense that he is playing things safe.
Despite the fact that we have spent huge sums on players and on our stadium we have to live with the fact that, as I said on another forum, 10th might be our lot this season given the squad we have and the additional demands of CL and English cup football.
We didn't hit our "stride" until about Oct of his 2nd season imo
So your premise is that because you havent seen enough so far that there is no way were turning it around?
I'm absolutely not. I have a pair of eyes. We create Nada, we have zero imagination in our build up and are so easy to play against. We're completely devoid attacking wise, not just okay, not just bad, it's brutal.
Calling something out like how awful we're set up isn't creating a toxic environment. Where you so gracious with Conte, Nuno, Ange et al? I'd wager not. Apparently when we're being served shit on a plate, we're supposed to be thankful for it.
I'm concerned because our schedule so far has been very advantageous. We made Doncaster look good, we made Bodo and Wolves look sensational. We have better attacking players than all of those clubs, yet they created chances. I'd have sold Richy two years ago, but to say he's useless , when he's been a good pl player for the better part 8 or so years is ridiculous. He's not elite, but you give him chances and he'll score.
This notion of not being allowed to be concerned is just stupid gate keeping.
I don't know what I'm talking about? Okay. I've explained it every which way. To what benefit is parking the bus football beneficial while facing very weak sides? Why play two DM's one of which is a very limited footballer most games? Why do we go through periods of 20-30 minutes when we just forget how to kick a ball? Crappy selections, crappy subs, crappy tactics so far and performances are getting worse, not better. Again, you're entitled to your opinion, but your snide remarks, whilst saying nothing but what ifs isn't a good look.
I'll again reiterate, if this isn't sorted out very quickly and we go into the league playing like this after the international break, with the level of opposition were facing, it's going to be bad. We can't be both a sieve at the back and a non-factor up top and pretend like everything is dandy.
I'm hoping it turns around, but we look worse as we go on if anything. He's had a preseason, we're 4 months in now.
I'm not asking for us to be blowing everyone away, far from it. If we were trying things differently going forward, of there was some fluidity to our play, some nice little patterns and signs of encouragement, that'd do me. But we're seeing nothing but getting it wide and crossing.
Another one I've bookmarked for December. And I'll come back and say I was concerned over nothing, or, we're fucked. Go have a look at our fixtures and show me the winnable games. I've got Forest, and that's about it in the league until the new year, maybe Brentford, but they're starting to figure it out, despite losing their best attacking players, captain and anchor, and hiring an inexperienced coach, most of those factors are our excuses for underwhelming thus far.